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Final Cut: Sasha and Heather TCI Interview
Sacha Stone, Brian Kelly, Dani Arnold-McKenny, Heather Ann Tucci-Jarraf, Lisa Harrison
Lisa: We are here at the Molino Gardens in Chefchaoun, which has become our home away from
home, for those of us staying in Aouchtam, Morocco. We love Chefchaoun but we love this hotel too.
And we want to thank Austin the owner and Bilal the manager for accommodating us and doing lots of
running around for us, helping us to make this possible. So Brian I know you have all the details, and
we will include some photographs of this gorgeous, gorgeous place. There’s a beautiful story behind
this hotel too.
(adhan – call to prayer begins)
D: Welcome to Morocco. It is prayer time.
Brian: Let’s – let’s let the prayer do it’s thing.
D: That is too fuckin’ funny, I’m sorry.
Lisa: That was short, is that it?
Sacha: That’s it.
Brian: Oh this is too good.
[inaudible] Lisa: This will be in the outtakes.
D: You know we should actually post the outtakes as well, just for shits and giggles.
Lisa: He could do this for the next two hours.
D: At three o’clock in the morning it went on for about fifteen-twenty minutes.
Heather: Sacha set the intent.
Sacha: I lived in Marrakesh for a while and in Egypt as well for a couple of years and I used to wake
up to the muezzin; I love it.
Brian: Yeah, you get used to it after a while; just not that convenient in the middle of a radio show.
Heather: Just remember words create, guys.
Sacha: I could even transcribe this for you; I can tell you what he’s saying. He’s saying “God be
praised; it’s a bank holiday”.
Brian: Oh wow.
D: This is a really long one too. They’re not usually this long at this time of day.
Heather: It’s a special one for [inaudible].
D: Oh yes. [inaudible] Jorge, can you grab that bottle of water please love? It’s on the table.
Brian: I think that’s it.
D: This one right here.
Lisa: That was precious.
D: I’m sorry.
Lisa: That’s absolutely precious.
Heather: OK guys.
Brian: Take three.
Lisa: Well, three’s a charm.
Brian: So should I just go straight into it?
Lisa: Go straight into it.
Brian: If anybody is interested into looking into where we are, Chefchaoun spelled C-H-E-F-C-H-AO-
U-N, lot of vowels, is also called the Blue City, and it’s literally one of the most beautiful places in
Morocco that I’ve seen so far. The hotel again is called Molino Garden; and they have a website that’s
getting ready to go live in the next few days which is just Molino M-O-L-I-N-O Garden dot com and if
anybody’s interested in making a reservation here or coming by, they have an active email which is just
email@example.com and one of the owners, Austin is here and has hosted us so live thank you
once again Austin, and I think that’s aboutLisa:
Brian: Yeah and Bilal, the manager, for assisting with us and scrambling to get everything we needed
for the live radio broadcast that didn’t work.
D: And for putting up with our circus this morning.
Brian: Yeah, so thank you Austin; thank you Hotel Molino. We’ll be uploading some nice video and
photos in the Youtube video before it goes out.
D: Thank you.
Lisa: And Sacha, we have via Skype from London.
Sacha; Couldn’t be happier than to be with you Lisa, and to meet my beloved Heather properly, and D
and my brother Brian; very happy indeed.
Heather and D: Thank you. Nice to meet you.
[inaudible] Lisa: It is nice to finally get you Sacha and Heather in the same “room” as virtual as it is. You know,
the five of us have all been very dedicated to educating, changing and waking up, not only ourselves
but as many people as we can get – as we can touch and we’ve all chosen different, to some extent,
different avenues for that, and yet we’re at a time where everyone seems to be converging, at least in
my perspective. We’re coming to the same place on so many levels and I think we’re all starting to see a
unified vision. And I know the work that Heather’s done is something you’re very aware of and has
played some part in how New Earth Nation has looked at the legal side of how we move forward. Can
you tell me a little bit about what the paperwork that was done by the One People’s Public Trust did for
you personally and how it may have –
Lisa: Influenced the legal framework that you were moving –
Sacha: Sure, well you know I’m the least qualified person on this call to be speaking to matters of law.
I am as a layman interested in it. I find law in and of itself repugnant to the human soul and to human
dignity in much the same way that I find words on paper repugnant to the soul and to human dignity.
We ought not to be contracting with one another in any way shape or form, in our ultimate expression.
But in so far as we are trapped in a temporal field of expression which is by and large hidden from
itself most of the time, we feel the need to look over our shoulder and sleep with one eye open, and
thereby not trust one another, with open heart and open mind.
And so in that respect we’re trapped in that space and to that end, the work that the OPPT did with the
UCC filings was nothing short of staggering and paradigm-shifting. And I hear a lot of people howling
with derision at that kind of claim. I understand the fabric of skepticism and cynicism. I think I find
that even more repugnant to the human soul and dignity, at a time like this when pioneers are trying,
with every fiber of their being, to peer beyond the Hermes veil on behalf of the great unwashed, and to
be stoned almost to death for doing so, reflects back on the great unwashed in an unprecedented way;
but I digress.
The OPPT UCC filings effectively opened the energetic corridor, so let’s be clear about this; we are
more concerned with the energetics; with the subtle plane, with the tortion fractal scalar energetic
spectrum than we are with the temporal realm of expression, which as I just said, is full of shit most of
the time. So in that respect, we owe that action; that perfect action – that perfect event. We all owe it. It
is in some sense – in law terms – the atom seed of the bifurcation which will now bring about right and
proper self-determination and governance and so on. So we took that energetic premise as the atom
seed; what we are hoping to do and intending to do and certainly are in the process of doing is
establishing what we are referring to as the International Tribunal for Natural Justice.
And to some great extent, the UCC filings are embroidered into the fabric of the first step that we take
in engendering that International Tribunal for Natural Justice but the tribunal in and of itself is being
composed of law experts and people who can speak to the subtleties of law. And so the very first thing
we’re going to do with that tribunal – and I hope and expect with your blessing and with your
involvement – will be to have the world – through that tribunal – look in on the UCC filings and then
make a wholesome determination about the – what’s that word? – legitimacy of the UCC filings. Well
we all know the legitimacy. We all know absolutely what law means and what lawful means and what
legitimacy means but apparently the sentinels of law, the judiciaries and legislatures and parliaments
and systems that prevail all across the world in 250 odd nation-states – corporate nation-states have
long forgotten what law means – what legal means – what lawfulness means. So we thank the OPPT.
We thank the UCC filings. We thank Heather. We thank the whole crew.
[echoes – inaudible] Heather: I’ve been following Sascha’s work, and many others that are compartmentalized, that Sascha
has centralized at this point. And a lot of them have contacted me throughout the period, at least that
I’ve been public. And now I’ve watched them. I’ve stayed very observant of the centralization that
you’ve done Sascha, and it’s beautiful. And it is time to go forward and I feel the same way about law,
as you’ve stated. You have a more rock star version of stating it which is really cool, so it inherently in
its tones moves it to and shifts it to the energetics, which is where it always has been.
Law was just a container and it was a nice management tool, when it was useful for us to experience
not being who we really BE so we could break through, find ourselves and have that joy. I’m really
excited to look even deeper and to speak with you on looking at what tools you need help refinement. I
never want it to go back the way it was. I never want to experience that again. And I hear that being
resounded through action, through words and through thought of every being, not just on this planet,
but in the universe. So here we go – open door – I’m gonna follow your lead Sascha, and as far as this
conversation goes and let’s really get into the heart of it.
Sascha: That’s unfortunate because I was planning to follow your lead so [laughter]…Let’s work it out
together. Brian and Lisa can certainly [inaudible] – D I know has got some great things to say. Well
look, I mean, what do we want to explore? Do we want to explore where we take – where do we take
consciousness and sovereignty now? You know in the last year I’ve been speaking almost expressly to
three items. And the first is time and the need for us to look at what that represents – not just in the
gestalt – but actually in the fabric of the entire history of our galaxy – of our solar system – of whatever
it is that brought about our genesis.
We need to stop identifying with time as being something which prevails and drives us because it
really is the – that is the signature of the matrix – is time – is this notion that we come from there and
we’re going to there. And so long as we are thinking in that mindset we are utterly trapped on that
linear plane. And the whole point of Bodhisattva, the whole point of Christos, the whole point of
human aspiration – spiritual aspiration is seeking where that lateral plane is intersected by the
transcendent; the vertical. How do we extricate ourselves from time? That’s for me a very important
thing that we need to look at in every way and because time is the same as the second item which is
money. Money is the way in which we begin to trade illusions with one another, fundamentally.
Because that’s all humans seem to be obsessed with, is buying and selling each other’s bullshit. Or that’s
what the matrix determines that we should be doing, We should be squabbling amongst one another.
We should be bargaining and bartering and pushing each other out the way.
So we are fundamentally entrained into a parasitic, vampiric and cannibalistic meme, A pattern of
imperfection that prevails all over the earth within this atmosphere; this sphere of forgetfulness. And
time and money – understanding what they are. They equate of course, to the third unit which is fear.
Because time is about fear, and money is all about fear, and fear is all about fear. And fear, arguably is
the primary tone that has been – that we’ve been subjected to – subjugated to – historically speaking. So
my obsession – not to beat this particular donkey to death – but my obsession has been with helping my
brothers and sisters and myself to understand these first stepping stones: time, money and fear, and how
I; Sascha, forget everyone else on the planet – how I have been entrained, dream-spelled, subjugated
into these notions that that is, that is the foundation stones of reality. Well no, they aren’t the foundation
stones of reality, nor should they be.
What we need to do is enter with this zero point, this sub-space vacuum that exists in the center of
each of our essence; the id. This is the monad, and this is where we each of us need to surrender
ourselves to ourselves within that space, because only in that sub-space quanta are we truly connected
telepathically – through the psionic faculties are we absolutely connected to one another. We are there
connected to the – what do they call it? – the druid telephone network. And we’re able to connect with
one another; really connect without the trading, the bartering, the lies, the deceptions. All of that stuff
which obfuscates and separates ourselves from our humanity. So as I said, I probably have beaten that
donkey to death round about now, but time, money, and fear are the things that I’m still obsessed with
us collectively understanding, as part of that exit stratagem.
Heather: OK, so if we keep this to a very personal level, right – Sascha and Heather for this moment.
The experiences all come from each vibrance; the, the vibration, OK? Your particular vibration, your
frequency. You’re unique – one-of-a-kind, So am I. So is every single embodiment in the universe.
Fear is the tone, OK? Money and time are just devices in order to implement that fear. So it’s not that
time and money generates the fear. You’ve got the fear and then you have the tools to be able to
implement it and make sure it always goes on. Time is – is beautiful. You know, time can be beautiful.
It hasn’t been in the way that it’s been implemented, but it is beautiful to be able to sit here and elongate
this moment, and not have it fly by. And be able to do another moment, so I get the way time has been
I don’t operate on a time continuum. I have to have lots of help to be able to make sure that I get kids
to school or sit down at the right time for a conversation, but at the same time, it’s a great – it can be a
great tool. It just depends on how you want to look at it, and then how you choose to implement it,
right? I love all the tools that we used in the past to be able to come to this moment now. It is a glorious
moment and it’s going to be whatever we make it. So at this point – currencies and all of that – I know
there’s a lot of hub-bub around the monetary system – the reevaluations. I’m just gonna follow your lead
here Sacha, since you opened the door, let’s associate. I just hit the time matter – the time issue, in the
general concepts and then as far as money – you have these reevaluations, and I’ve listened to and I’ve
followed along with almost everyone that’s gone out. Whether it be Swissindo from way back when –
you have now, please forgive me if I get this wrong, the Ambassador for the Dragon family. You’ve
got all the different financial gurus and aspects that run or had run, in the past, the financial system.
And everyone’s got their own agendas. What I’ve always known and what I’ve always experienced is
that the absolute plan maneuvers those agendas, but for something beautiful.
Everyone has done hard work. Every single one. And people can perceive them as bad or good,
resonating or not – illuminating or not, but yet everyone was very valuable in getting us to this
moment, OK? So what I’m looking at, is that I so want to join hands with every single embodiment, as
we pull this together. A lot of people have said they don’t know how to BE and DO, right? They’re used
to the time management. They’re used to the money management, and there are some others that are
sub-management tools, OK?
D: Like law.
Heather: Law -law is done. You can hear me now and you can experience it later, but that’s what it is.
It is done. You have natural laws, OK? Those don’t need to be spoken. They don’t need to be written.
Those are experienced every moment whether people are conscious of them or not. And it will not
change that fact, whether someone negates it or not, OK? As far as the money issue, I know that the
finance- three lines have been government, financial and judicial, OK? Legislative falls within the
government, OK? I’m not gonna micro manage this at all. But those are basically three topics. And I’ve
looked at what you guys have done with New Earth Nation and you know, legal is very different than
lawful, alright? Lawful is something that just is and you can’t change it. You can experience it and you
can choose how you want to experience it, but it is still there. Legal is where you have something that’s
not lawful, and you have to have a license to make it legal.
Heather; That’s all that is. So I’m looking at whatever tools are out there. All this beautiful energy that
everyone has put in – especially I’m here to focus on Sacha and what they’ve put together and the
centralizations. Forgive me because I’m terrible at pronouncing Hawaiian names but the man that goes
by the title of King of Hawaii has been contacting me for quite some time. I’ve watched them
centralize, working within and drawing together, and so far the nexus point has been where you are
sitting, Sacha. Let’s use the energies. Let’s go in. I wanna help no matter what we do, because BEing
and DOing has been very difficult for people. They get upset at me, and I’m gonna only speak from my
experience OK, not from others, but from my own experience – is they get mad at me because I don’t
tell them how to BE and DO. And I’m not here to define anything. I’m just here to be myself, OK?
But I am there to also make sure that any structures or any – any kind of tools that are used aren’t
structured in such a way that people are limited. And that’s just my own personal, OK? That’s what I
saw – that’s what I go for and yet at the same time, there’s all these beautiful tools; little tweaks – little
shifts, and if we really listen to each other, you’ll find when someone feels limited. And at that point
you can tweak it, you can shift it. No harm done. Just go in and make another choice. Do something
else. But there are people that are having a really hard time imagining how to BE and DO. And that’s
why these structures can be so great. They can help. They can assist. It’s like training wheels on a bike,
OK? You don’t use them forever, but you use them just for the time that you need to, you know. And
there’s that time word again.
[pause] Brian: Sacha’s back.
D: Oh there we go, Sacha’s back.
Sacha: We’re back.
D: I don’t think with video, but we’re working on it.
Sacha: We’re back.
Brian: Here you go Lisa, I don’t know what
D: Can you come look at the message on the screen please?
[inaudible] Lisa: No, it’s fine.
D: Can’t see. OK there’s us, where’s Sacha?
Sacha: I’m here.
Lisa: Sacha you got your camera on?
Sacha: I’ve got my camera on, yes.
Sacha: Hang on, hang on. That should come on now.
Lisa: There you are, OK.
Heather: OK so to get back to it, that’s just my – where my personal feet are standing on the ground at
this moment – is to help and assist in whichever way I can for everything to move forward. The
reevaluations – the monetary system the way it is – it’s not going to move forward. And there’s one
simple little thing and it’s because you have such tones as debt forgiveness – you know the only thing to
forgive is that the illusion debt ever existed was pushed forth. And it’s just that simple to say: it doesn’t
exist and here’s what we’re gonna do and there’s ways to do this.
I’m here to help so that we can move those things forward. Currencies – there’s nothing wrong with the
currency. It is just a form of storage, for everyone’s energy. You only use a fraction of it when you’re
going forward. You can store it – it doesn’t matter, but it has to be done in the correct way. In a way
that doesn’t represent what is, it is what is, OK? It’s an extension of yourself. It’s an extension of your
body and you’re gonna use it responsibly and you’re gonna honor and respect others who want to use it
. So there is ways to do this; I’m here to help. I’m here to actually have fun, and to DO with everyone
else. So that’s the stance on the money thing. The time thing – Sascha, I really don’t know as far as me
operating in a time continuum, but I have these beautiful embodiments that are assisting me to do that
so lets – it’s a multi-dimensional world at this point and universe and that’s what’s coming through so
there’s gonna be some shifts here. There’s gonna be shifts of experience.
Sacha: Well interestingly enough, the way that you speak about time tells me that you are not entrained
in time but that you are in point of fact, time-bending and that by definition is when one has escaped
from the idea of time – you know, slowing it down and just not adhering to it. That to my mind makes a
great deal of sense. I mean at the collective level when we reach a thresh-hold in sufficient numbers of
human beings also bending time. I mean let’s face it, there are 7.4 odd billion souls on – sentient human
souls on earth and they are variously all living different time lines. So time is arguably the greatest
myth of all.
I like the way you speak about it because you don’t pay it much attention. I think that’s the point, where
as most people are. They’ve got wristwatches strapped to their bodies and the clock tick-tocking all the
time. I mean If you just think about the fact that we have hundreds of millions of devices, digitized
devices, whether it’s ipads or iphones or computer screens all around the world – all of them are
digitized, with these binary codes and they’re all paying homage to this myth of time. They’re all ticktocking
and that has an effect on the subconscious and the collective unconscious as well. Again, it’s
just keeping us entrained into false – ultimately false and very un-universal means. But I love the way
you spoke about it.
Heather: Well I’m really excited for where this goes. The energy is what I’m focused on. Very
passionate – just propelling it forward. We -We are the bridge. All – Every sentient being in this
universe is the bridge, OK? You don’t have to wait for someone to build it, just be it. So whatever I can
assist with – I’m really excited about this moment now so I’m gonna let you lead this further, and Dani
and Brian and Lisa and I’ll just hop in where you guys need me.
Sacha: Well let me ask you something, just on the law side of things if I may, when we consider that
we have divine law, natural law, commutive law, sovereign law, administrative law, military law,
security law, all of these different forms, is there any sense in, in looking to charter a kind of definitive
expression of law in its most simplest terms? And setting that about and beginning to articulate an
international, or let’s say a supranational extraterritorial framework for law. Would it make sense to
work on creating some kind of an ultimate synthesis of law?
Heather: yeah there’s three – three components to how this moves forward, to end up exactly where
we actually already are and always have been, OK. Is Number one is self-responsibility, selfgovernance
and compassion, OK? So for those that are self-governing, self-responsibility. I understand
I create everything I experience, OK? Whether it’s perceived as good or bad by me in the moment, or
by anybody else, I realize I create it. So I also have the opportunity to go in and if there’s something I
don’t like what I’m experiencing or maybe someone else doesn’t – then I can consider that I’m affecting
that person and I can go in and make another choice, OK? That’s what I mean by self-responsibility and
self-governance. I’m the only one that can control what I am doing, despite what some have tried,
OK? I am the only one. And I answer for it. At the same time I realize that perhaps there are other
beings who, and we’re not just talking about planetary here, you’re talking about universal, that do not
see that they’re responsible and creating what they’re experiencing.
At that point, that’s where the compassion comes in. Those are your biggest components right there.
Now as far as getting there, like I said, there are those that really are struggling with how to BE and
how to DO. OK so as far as looking at how to assist everyone and seeing you are self-responsible. You
are the one number one who’s creating it all. All of the former systems tell you otherwise, OK? That’s
why it’s so important at this point to really just be compassionate as everyone sits here and goes “I’m
actually creating this” and that’s such an empowering moment. When they realize if they’re in the heat
of something and they’re experiencing something they don’t like, it is so empowering for them to go “I
created that” because they can instantly make another choice and create something magical and
fantastical and beautiful where everyone just feels the energy pouring out. And it actually is an overunity
device. Everyone’s so excited about these over-unity devices, I can tell you that every sentient
being – every being in the universe is an over-unity device, OK? You’re a transmitter. You’re a receiver.
You are a vehicle.
I can only be responsible for the vehicle I am, absolutely, nobody else has that responsibility but if I’m
not being responsible about something, the compassion of someone saying “Heather, this is what you’re
doing, this is what is going on, this is what I’m experiencing” and then us looking at it and going from
there. Now this is a very minuscule – I’m gonna go micro to the macro because right now you have a
collapse of the micro and the macro and it’s all just what is, OK? But there is, and that’s what I’d like to-
I’ve looked at what you’ve put up, Sascha for – what your team has put up in the legal section of New
Earth Nation – assisting everyone to go forward so that it’s a template that doesn’t limit but it is a
structure of support, right? There are ways to do this and there’s a great – you gotta start somewhere so
there’s a great foundation there.
A lot of the stuff that was in the former systems is out. There’s still stuff in there that – as long as
people can move forward and they never feel limited, OK – and they’re operating in self-responsibility,
and self-governance, but at the same time there’s compassion amongst every being as that other being is
going through their journey. This is – it’s a multitude. It’s complex but the complexity’s in the
simplicity. It is so simple, you know? And that’s what I want to sit down with you and with the others
to go through and say where’s a support structure that everyone can go forward in, and that at the same
time not be limited by.
Sacha: Good, beautiful. And the sovereignty thing you keep rounding back on that point and I hope
you can continue to do it.
[adham -call to prayer starts] Heather: Sascha, hold on a second, there’s a call going. Please hold on to that thought. I want to hear
Heather: I think it’s just[
call continues] [laughter] [inaudible] D: You know you talk about us not working on a time continuum? This is the perfect example. Don’t
even know what day of the week it is.
Brian: [inaudible] Now we have our shows to keep us on track of dates again.
Lisa: We’ll know when mondays and tuesdays are again.
Heather: Yeah you don’t pick noon to two -ever. Those are always the prayer – from noon to two –
somewhere in there.
[inaudible] Sacha: You know I’m not seeing you folks, – not that it matters on my end – but I’m not seeing any of
D: Our camera is on.
Sacha: Could you knock it off and just put it back on again? It might just reboot. Oh thank you, great.
Come back. Great. Can I pick up?
Heather: OK go.
Sacha: Yeah I was saying that I love the fact that you keep- Heather you keep coming back and
rounding in on sovereignty and saying this is my gig – it’s my thing – it’s my perspective – it’s I’m
responsible for the all. We couldn’t agree more. This is absolutely the position and space that we are
holding again. I refer to this as zero point. And when we are able to relax these software downloads of
the Cartesian world view – the entropic universe – the idea that we are running out of stuff, you know,
and that we should therefore be very very afraid. And In that space of fear we really ought to look to
daddy to save us from this diabolical state, and daddy comes in – invariably daddy presents himself in a
bishop’s frock or a Jesuit gown. And this is the problem, that the intercessory principle which is the
diabolical patriarch, coming in as a feminized character, very much like that ghastly witch that fed
poisonous apples to children in the woods.
I mean, that’s really where we’re at. And people, our brothers and sisters, billions of them, hundreds of
millions of them around the world, are just symbiotically born. I mean yanked out of the womb,
slapped across the ass, have the umbilical cut with stainless steel, and the placenta hurled into a kidney
dish, whereupon they’re asked to leave the hospital and are thereby presumed missing at sea and a dead
soul, effectively. And there the draconian, babylonian spell really begins and so all of us indentured
into slavery, really before we, before we’ve even learned to squeak. That is also hard-wired into this
entropic notion of – we come from pain, we’re invariably going to end up dying in pain. That is a
fucked up premise to bring babies into the world. I mean, that is fundamentally where we’re at.
So the business of removing oneself or repairing oneself from that linear format and going you know
what? I’m gonna do what Heather just said. I’m gonna go right back to center and be in this space and
I’m accountable absolutely for all that manifests in my field of expression – all without exception – there
is nothing that will ever occur to me as a soul that is not by permission or by covenant. Arguably, there
is soul compacts and soul covenants that also engineer situations and events for us in which we then
find ourselves and go Agghh! That’s not a cool piece of karmic load to carry but I trust that my higher
knowing, my oversoul, engineered this situation absolutely, explicitly for me in this space.
So all of that speaks to that same thing you keep rounding back in, which is sovereignty, sovereignty,
sovereignty. And sovereignty in it’s truest expression is consciousness in action and consciousness in
action is by definition, sovereign expression and so long as we’re all of us doesn’t matter if there’s 7 and
a half billion or 70 billion, as long as all of us are operating from that quanta, from that zero point, then
everything that emerges through the collective will be in the pattern of perfection. It will naturally and
necessarily emerge as the pattern of perfection. But you know you talk about – we talk about entropy
and we talk about neg-entropy. And it’s important for us as an individual, a sovereign individual, to
learn to get to grips with this. Am I – as a living man or a living woman – am I participating in an
entropic paradigm? By virtue of the words that come out of my mouth, the actions that issue from my
being, am I participating in an entropic, life-depleting paradigm, i.e. am I cannibalizing off my brothers
and sisters in order to fulfill my egoic perspective, or to try and give myself a kind of wave – a spiritual
wave to surf upon – or however we want to spin this?
I need to really identify the sovereign being. Am I participating in entropy, or am I participating in negentropy?
Neg-entropy here – the negative aspect of entropy or the obverse of entropy, really speaks to
life affirmation. So whatever it is that I’m doing or being or saying in this world – am I giving freely,
am I participating in the dance of creation, in noble expression? Is that – because that is by definition
life-affirming. That is neg-entropic. And that is the bifurcation that we find ourselves at, and even as
Brian well knows the thread that was opened up just to bring five questions for you and for me – just
that thread alone invited some real creepy-crawly aspect, really negative; nasty. It tried to anchor this
noble undertaking into a real shitty space and it almost succeeded in different ways. It’s interesting how
we look at that. It takes one imperfect action in a beautiful space to dim the light, and conversely it
takes one pure action – one right action to shake the devil off our back.
And there’s the story I often refer to is the – whether you agreed with the Ceausescu regime or not, in
the greater scheme of things if you look at the Romanian revolution, and you look at that fine day when
there were 60 odd thousand people hemmed in on that square all having to salute the flag as their
fuhrer when he was giving a speech. And it all came down to one action which was a woman,
purportedly (inaudible). The police were hemming the crowd in and there was this eruption about to
take place. And the woman, an old woman, just put her arms around the security guard, or the military
guy and gave him a hug. And the guys next to him put down their weapons, put down their shields and
like a dominoes, and within hours the people had then kicked the doors in of the presidential palace and
within three days the revolution took place. And that particular, unique tyranny was over. That was
predicated from that one right action issuing from that old woman, in not hitting someone with a
broomstick but simply putting down the broomstick and putting her arms around the guy behind the
black helmet. So again, where do we – every moment of every day – where do we place our energies?
Are we participating in entropy or neg-entropy?
Brian: Can I, can I just jump in here real quick? Sascha I’m glad that you mentioned the saviorship
model. We’ve done a lot talking about this concept of having a saviorship model and that being one of
the leading elements into the programming that we’ve all been led to believe. Look outside yourself for
a savior. Whether it’s the religions that we’ve been indoctrinated to believe in or whether it be
governments or politics or whether it be the elders in our community or our teachers in our schools,
you know. To look outside yourself for answers, and it’s got this – this pattern to it. You know it’s such
an honor to be on this call. We’ve been so excited about it for the last two weeks since we started to put
it together because I for one – I admire the work that you’ve done and I’ve grown to love you and the
being that you are and the messages that you put out. And Heather being a huge inspiration on the work
that I’ve done and the direction that my journey has taken me as a result to linking up with her.
But the work that you and people like Heather do, and even myself to a smaller level, it comes with
this huge element of being put under a microscope to where you – the perception from many is that this
New-Earth-Nation-Sascha-Stone-Heather-Ann-Tucci-Jaraff-Brian-Kelly-and-Lisa-Harrison; they have
all the answers and they are now the new potential savior so I’m gonna look at what they’re doing and
what they’re saying as a guide for how I could step into this sovereignty. And on the flip side they’re
saying, you know, “This is a new form of hierarchy. This is being labeled as the New Earth Nation.”
I’m sure we saw a lot of it on that thread that we put out. You know, “the New Earth Nation is this new
form of hierarchy and how could they have gotten everything that they did done, with all this funding
and this support?” And you take this criticism left and right. I’m just curious because it’s such a
common theme that comes up. If you want to address that, just so people can hear it directly from you
and you have an opportunity to share in that regard because it seems that around every corner you get
these false accusations based upon rumors that people are sharing that is pawned off as truth, with a
lack of total understanding and data to pull from.
Sacha: I understand exactly what you’re saying but let Heather speak to that first and then I will.
Heather: I – OK – I’m going to tell you exactly what I’m going to do and what I’ve always done -is
that, I understand that every single being is Source, alright? Everything that has been done was done
under a certain mandate, and that mandate was for Source to experience not being Source. The mandate
has changed. Source is going to bust out, and has been busting out and being Source very visibly, OK?
This is on a conceptual – just so that everyone understands – now I understand also that some data
might be coming out here shortly about – you have your souls, your oversouls, your physical. OK all of
this coming out into visibility and it’s all going to be used through the vehicles that everyone is – that
every embodiment is at this moment. I would, if presented with a situation – where you do have folks
yelling and screaming – let’s get really detailed here OK; really descriptive. You have folks yelling and
screaming – pick a character. Any character, someone; Bush, Obama, whatever you want to call it OK?
Let’s go with Obama. That one I always use. Obama has been sitting there and he has actually put
everything on the books – through executive orders – that has been practiced for millennia and he looks
like the bad guy, alright? When you understand what is going on and that through perceived chaos –
and it is highly strategic – it is strategic order under the guise of chaos. In order to shake us all up. In
order to help us remove our roots from the old mandate and to fly into this new mandate OK? Which is
actually what we’ve always been all along – Source, OK? So if there is pitchforks and ropes and
chains, I’m gonna be standing in front of the one that they’re about to hit, until we all sit and we realize
that we are all there, OK? Now there are those that have been following the old mandate and are just
refusing to let go of it. Source is retiring those particular frequencies, OK? So really look within – really
trust within – it is important for us to see what is. Not what someone tells us – not what we want – but
what is. And then from there, choose what you want.
Choose what you want and it’s informed, OK? It’s informed and it’s through experience that you refine
that informed choice, and make many more,OK? So that’s where I’m going to be. And as we go through
this transition – it’s not a bridge because we’re all the bridge – but through the transition of our own
bridge vehicles, I will be standing there. There will not be any bloodletting. At the same time, there will
be release. There will be release from the old mandate as we fly into this new mandate. And thats what
I’m gonna be doing. As far as hierarchy and everything else Sacha, I’ve been watching what they’ve
been saying, at least energetically as well as a few of the comments; I get it. I saw that I was going to
be sending you a message. Energetically I did send it, through what I call i-coms, I’m right there with
you . Even when people were talking bad about – gosh, name off any character you want. I’ve been
there. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks of me. Just that I know who I am and that as I move forward
all I do is show love, compassion, and awareness.
Sacha: That’s why I refer to you as the beloved. Thank you. And you know I’m delighted that when the
pitchforks do come out, if they do, that I’ll be using you as a human shield, that’s very…. .
Brian: Good one man.
Sacha: You know Brian, I don’t know where to begin to answer to stuff like that. I don’t know that I
care to. I couldn’t give a proverbial fig about what anyone thinks about me personally. I never really
much cared about that. I-I do what I do what I do. I am what I am what I am and I’m not prepared to
defend it either to troglodytes or through people who are operating on behalf of special interests,
because there’s a lot of that stuff out there. People have been hammering the OPPT from day one and
then the IUV. It doesn’t matter what incarnation noble expression takes on so long as it’s operating in
these relatively subterranean sub-tonal frequencies, we’re gonna be subjected to a lot of creepy-crawly
stuff and that’s par for the course. But what I’m not particularly keen to do is to stoop down too low and
engage much energy in those conversations. Only not because I don’t believe that people who are less
enlightened are entitled to – you know, great explanations – but only when they approach the wisdom
flame with kindness am I prepared to put time or energy into someone – time.
Other than that I”m not interested. Speaking for myself, I’m not a publicly elected official. I don’t run a
charity. I’m not accountable in that sense to people. I’m just doing what I do. I’m an artist,
fundamentally, and a poet. That’s the only thing I’ve ever regarded myself as being half-decent at, oddly
enough – is that. The rest of it is just again, expression. And I’m so fortunate in much the same way that
Heather is and has been in having the most extraordinarily gifted, talented and brilliant brothers and
sisters who have variously cohered to some of what I’ve been on about. And don’t get me wrong, I get
lambasted by my own team and I constantly get pulled down and beaten up, as it should be.
But I’m no leader, which is actually why I use bad language from time to time. I was looking at it last
week and I was asking why do I – why do I use bad language because I don’t like hearing bad
language. I can’t bear people when they swear in my company, and yet I’m always doing it. And I
thought, well I’m trying to kind of trash my own – so that I can never be, you know, an official – I can
never be a leader because I’m just too much of a maverick to ever fulfill that space. But yeah I don’t
care what people think and I don’t care to answer to it. If anybody has a coherent question on anything,
including on my bank balance, I’d be happy to answer to it. In point of fact, I’ll tell you now I’m broke.
I’ve been broke for a long time. I’m heavily, heavily broke and I rather enjoy being broke and it just
doesn’t bother me. It doesn’t bother me in the least.
Brian: You know you’re talking to a table full of broke people so… You know I, first of all, Sacha I so
appreciate your candor, and you saw on that thread how I handled blind accusations as well; similar to
you – you don’t throw more fuel on the fire. I think what I pulled away from that thread the most – kind
of the underlying theme – is that people have this – they’re wondering where do I go from here as an
individual.? You know, what next steps do I take – action steps – that will enable me to further embody
my own empowerment and my own sovereignty as a co-creator being of everything in my universe?
And the troubles and the complications and the challenges of daily life make it hard to navigate through
the mud of what is still transpiring on this planet today, in so many areas of our lives, whether it be
personal – revolving around our relationships and our careers; global – revolving around war, poverty,
stuff like what’s going on in Gaza, so on and so forth.
And people are really wanting to know – I get emails all the time as you do on Facebook that, you know
– “I’m starting to understand it. I’m starting to integrate more of my own understanding based on my
own intuition and guidance as opposed to looking outside of myself constantly for answers from others.
How can I go about navigating this terrain when I’m supposed to be in court on Monday to represent
some strawman that isn’t me and how do I stop the child protective services from taking my child away
as one of our friends is doing in Norway right now? And if all of this illusion is the facade that we
know it all to be, how do we no longer – how do we make the conscious choice to no longer consent to
this slavery that we’ve been indoctrinated to believe is such a natural part of our life when in fact it is
the most unnatural part of our existence?’ What do you say to those people that are looking for those
answers and what kind of action steps they can take in their own personal lives based on your
experience and what it is that you’ve gone through as an individual?
Sacha: Stop paying tax. I mean I’ve been saying this on everything, every time I’m asked the question.
If you want to do some thing in order to remove yourself from the dreamspell and certainly to throw
yourself in the deep end as well, because trust me you’ll get a stick coming at you when you just stop
paying tax. But that’s fine because the stick is also a tremendous illusion; it doesn’t actually exist, so if
one wants to have the koan stick of the Zen masters crack your skull and bring oneself into this space to
do something conscious, I would say to stop paying tax would be a great first step for the average
You know but then there’s all sorts of arguments “But I’ve got children, I’ve got responsib-‘ well hey,
then go to that harvest and stay with that harvest because so long as we are gonna make excuses for not
engaging in right action, and now it doesn’t matter – even someone with an IQ of 62 knows that their
dollars are paying for tanks and for drones and for strikes against developing nations, so every time you
put into the system, your energy is going in to work in order to make this godless thing called money in
order to pay the utilities which go to the man who creates the prison for you to go to work to. So that’s
that feedback cycle which is set in 20 million exquisite different ways and modalities for human
beings in every creed, every culture. But when they choose to step out of it is when they choose to step
out of it. And the sure-fire way of the average person listening to this show for instance, would be in
my view to stop paying taxes and certainly to stop filling out one’s name in block capital letters because
all of that is just perpetuating the contracts and that’s the stuff we need to extricate ourselves from
But there’s other ways of engaging. I mean I rather enjoy getting pulled by police now and when I do I
invariably end up with two or three of them sitting on the bonnet of my car having a great conversation,
because there’s ways of engaging people in uniform. I say that another useful thing for people to do
would be to stop respecting uniforms and stop allowing that chill of fear when you hear a police siren
or see a policeman. Stop engaging with that constriction state that kicks in every time you see these
artificial or these imposed authorities and that they always come in the guise of uniforms. Obviously,
that’s what drones do, but we need to disengage from our own connection to that space because every
time we get that little adrenal rush and we get that little – and it happens in cities hundreds of millions
of times a day. The reason why these ambulances and fire services and police services have the Hertz
frequencies encoded into those sirens designed to close down the pineal capability. Get that straight.
There is nothing haphazard about those frequencies. They have been imposed in order to throw a
blanket of absolute terror in the hearts of people in the cities. When you have those sirens happening in
a place like London 150- 200,000 times a day, you are creating a fractal field which is a locked-down
prison. You are only able to truly engage in the parasitic behaviors in that environment, so begin to
challenge those things.
I would say to people engage with that stuff. Stop – ask the police “Why are you doing this”? Speak to
people in uniforms and begin to get them to disengage also from the dreamspell, but other than that,
what Heather said earlier was singularly the most important thing that one can do which is to stop
doing and to BE and to be empathetic or to be compassion because when we are in empathy and in
compassion we are sending long waves and those long waves – literally at the fractal level you can
actually measure this scientifically – you send an empathic wave – it’ll reach the other side of the
galaxy. You send a short wave – a constricted wave – it’ll die. What does this teach us about the
ultimate human activity which is supposed to be building toward our redemption or our salvation? And
if we truly want to die well having lived well, we need to be able to broadcast those long waves so that
at the point of death we have a plasma body – an auric body – which is vast and which we can then steer
directly through the heart of the sun into a perfect bliss death state, which then will take us into our
next expression which will be the absolute pattern of perfection.
Whereas now what we’ve got is people being bombarded by those entropic and Cartesian and
Newtonian deceptions and living lives which are racked with fear and dread and horror and the forms
that we emit from our fractal hearts become shorter and shorter wave forms, which means that we
become harvested even at death. Think about that! As if it isn’t bad enough here being harvested?
People being harvested through mosques and through churches and temples anyway, but the business
of being harvested at death should be true – should really strike terror into our hearts and wake us up to
the fact that as Heather said earlier “compassion, compassion, compassion”. Nothing else matters. I like
kindness. I think that every living warm-blooded homo sapien enjoys kindness.
Brian: Could you , could you say all that one more time and just try to be a little bit more eloquent?
(laughter] Heather: Kindness is sexy.
Brian: Can I ask a follow-up to both of them and then you can go cuz I perfectly related to this? so
you’re – real quick – I got a million of these.
Sacha: I want to talk to D.
Brian: She’s up next, don’t worry. Get in line sweetheart.
D: I was!
Brian: Not done yet. I said it was a two-part question. So our listening audience, which has definitely
been amplified as a result of you coming on the show – because you have people that are very
interested in the things that you share – the majority of these people have taken a lot of those action
steps already, you know. I haven’t paid taxes since 2004. I’m also broke. I didn’t register my car. I had
no car insurance. I challenged all my lenders, including my car company to prove there was ever
actually a debt that existed. They didn’t. I didn’t want to live in a country of bondage so I left the united
states and moved to Morocco. Little small steps, right? But I think what a lot of the people that are kind
of looking for – whether consciously or unconsciously – is I’m taking all these action steps as an
individual. I’m having varying degrees of comfort level depending on the responses that I’m getting
and how much fear that’s still triggering within me when you get that knock on the door from the police
officer or process server that’s trying to call you into court or whatever.
Where can we rally and how do we move together as a collective in this effort? And I know that’s a big
part of what New Earth Nation is about and I’m interested in hearing the answer from both you and
Heather because it’s such a prevalent and prominent thing, that whether or not people are expressing it
on threads like the one that you saw on Facebook or not, that’s a big – wanting to know and wanting to
have that resonance and that frequency of – I feel as if for myself as an individual that I’m harmonizing
with those that are around me and we’re all moving together as one human family – forward – never to
look back again. So Heather if you just want to jump in at this point, I just – I know that people want to
know about that. One of the things that I do Sacha, is I make sure that I try to provide the people that
are listening with a voice and answers to their questions.
Sacha: Well I’m happy to answer to how we are looking to address some of the mechanics and should I
do that Heather?
Sacha: OK so I’m again the least – on this call, the least qualified to speak to matters of law. I am no
fundi here but I do know that the International Tribunal for Natural Justice that we’re setting up right
now – part of the process that we’re engendering is with our private attorney general Rod Class. We are
beginning a program this year principally in the united states of training up 1000 private attorneys
general and this is just form. And then going after the three and a half thousand odd judges in the
united states who are all acting in treason and in fraud and in deception. So when we’ve got the private
attorneys general able to take action against the judges who are maintaining the status quo, we begin to
see the emergence of a reverse engineering of the diabolical mechanics of law. So the mechanics is
what we have to engage with. God knows that’s what Heather and the crew did, painstakingly. But now
we’re taking it to private attorneys general, sheriffs, and the capacity to enforce that pure law, without
which we will be in trouble, because ultimately we know now.
Look just at the Bundy ranch incident that occurred in the united states recently. That was a classic – to
my mind – that was the most exciting event that we may have seen in respect to the federal authority
having to stand down. I know there’s a lot of info and disinfo and double-disinfo flying around that
particular issue, but that was a remarkably beautiful event that occurred when the federal land
management agency were beating to death just a good, generational farmer. Just sheer agenda 21. Total
thievery – banditry – privateering taking place and that man loaded up his shot gun and stood at the gate
and said come at me. And when they did send in the black helicopters and the – and the assault, you
know, the military, effectively two or three hundred cowboys on horseback appeared over the hill with
loaded shotguns. Now that was very, very effective because that pretty much put the federal authorities
in check. They could either have begun a massacre there, which would have started the civil war long
before they were intending to engineer it – and that situation didn’t work out well for the feds. Put it that
But it taught a lot of people in Midwest America that they do carry the day, provided they stand up and
get out of the front door, put down the remote control, put down the kool-aid and get involved. So that
if we can show people together through the private attorney general’s training program that we’re doing,
and the sheriffs – engaging with the sheriffs, and if we can show the average person that the mechanics
are arriving on their street for them to engage with – the metric is laid for them to engage with – I
believe that’s when we’ll see millions of people getting involved, but not really before, because they
can’t put – they can’t make the connect. They see government being this hugely powerful colossal kind
of elemental cloud that exists somewhere that always carries the day. Always wins the day. Not so, as
Heather said; Source is redefining that covenant.
Heather: You know, I’ve – I was really lucky that all my backup for the investigations just disappeared
OK? Everything from budget to legal teams to infrastructure – intel even at one point went dark. I was
really blessed to have that experience because I actually had to go boots-on-the-ground and go in
myself. And I’ve worked with judges since law school. I had a really great internship that I did and so
I’ve had multiple aspects OK? I’ve seen corrupt-corrupt. Everything from a pentagon general brigadier
that sat on a lowly bench hiding there going – while I was going through the investigations – that
advises the pentagon, to just these amazing people. So what I learned through the whole thing was to
see them, and Sacha you’re exactly right – don’t see the uniform. The uniform is a symbol to be able to
invoke the short waves.
And I’m gonna go just a little bit because I know D’s got more on this, but it’s not the short waves I
focus on. I couldn’t even identify what it was until I went into these investigations with the fear, OK? I
had to work through the fear, and I found that it – like Monster’s Inc. – it’s more powerful for me to
laugh than it is for me to scream. And I got to go in and I got to see judges that would sit there and
follow the scripts. I watched attorneys follow the scripts. I watched sheriffs follow the scripts. I
watched every single person from an observer to the clerk, all follow scripts. And it was really – I’m so
blessed to have that experience. I got to see them as them, not as I was told, not as I wanted them to be,
but definitely for what they are. We had some huge shifts in there.
I got to see a judge who just – I scared the hell out of him, not intentionally. I just went in and I was
myself, but I was shooting these long waves, and when you’re used to short waves, the long waves can
knock you on your ass because it’s not just going through you and stopping at you, it’s going out. And I
watched him for six weeks study up on what the hell I was doing without even talking to me. Without
doing anything, he gets really nervous around me. And then I watched him go into a courtroom one day
and hand me data in front of everyone, screaming and yelling at me so the bank attorney’s focused on
him screaming and yelling at me, and going “Yes, all right! She’s getting it! She’s getting what she
deserves!” and yet he’s giving me all the data. It just didn’t matter how he delivered it, just so I got the
data. And at that point I was so in love with the man, and I was in love with this attorney, and I was in
love with just the whole experience. Because there are so many that are and have propagated the former
systems that knew that we could do this, all of us, and assisted in ways that maybe we just weren’t
aware of, but they did.
So when this comes down Sacha, I would really like to talk with you and see how I can assist, and just
be me as far as sending out those long waves. Like I said, because it’ll either be – we go hand in hand
all of us, or you’re gonna find me in front as a shield until this all settles down. And that’s for anyone
OK? So I don’t prefer the Neo. I like that statement “Are you saying I can dodge bullets when the time
comes?”, “I’m saying when the time comes you won’t have to” and that’s where we are, you know? So
as far as how we move forward, this will delve into the energetics. The energetics will make itself
visible. It is all about energy, long waves, short waves, and changing it up. And then you’ll see exactly
what the money system – what the time mechanism were all hiding – which is frequencies and energy
and that’s all there is.
Sacha: You’re absolutely right about this, Heather and to speak about that judge – and that’s a beautiful
story and it’s one that we should constantly be reminded of – because it is perfectly true. There are so
many people – goodly people – in the corridors of power who themselves will actively participate in this
unfoldment, in this awakening given half a chance, but if we continue to simply be again, the army of
creepy-crawlies who just want to hurl rocks at the citadel and set fire to everything, well we’re gonna
be in a great deal of more trouble with that kind of energetic behind us. Infantries shooting into our
I had yesterday a special ops military guy here. One of the guys who trains squadrons around the world
in the desert – a friend of mine for long-standing. I know a number of these extraordinary guys who
variously have done a Faustian pact over the years and have participated in militancy. This guy
yesterday who is somebody I love very much. And he’s ostensibly a very scary character but nothing
could be further from the truth. I know the man’s heart. I’ve known him for nearly 20 years. He was
coming in to check if I’m okay and also to continue to offer more backup. Do we need gooks and
spooks for anything that we’re doing right now – you know that kind of thing. We’ve had a bit of this in
the past, and we’ve been tipped off when things have been dodgy.
And I’ve had guns at the head on a couple of occasions and I’ve been in really some scary situations
where I have – not in the same way that you did – I mean I was able to extend a sense of curiosity and
love in the events as they were happening, because that’s just my nature. My nature is to be curious,
even if there’s a .38 Smith and Wesson aimed at the head. It’s just like, “wow, that’s an interesting turn
of events”. And in that way there’s a level of idiocy in that response, but that’s how I’ve blundered
through life and have done in many of the situations which were uncomfortable for me. But this
gentleman yesterday – the special ops guy – he reminded me – he was telling me that some of the senior
ranking special ops guys in the world – and that’s from everywhere from the Middle East to Siberia – he
said are really wanting out. Really wanting out of this game. And he said – we know, we know. We are
sitting in those rooms. We are the close protection security when those deals are being cut by these old
serpents with black diamonds and with all sorts of weird stuff going down – masonic occultist bullshit.
And he said me and my buddies – and this guy’s been at it for 20 years OK, he’s not a novice – he said
are pretty much up to here with this. And we look at our kids now and some of us are even getting
grandkids OK? And are looking into the eyes of our children and going “Nah. What am I paying into?”
and so it seems to me – and that was a very beautiful meeting for me. It was three hours long and at the
end of it, it qualified a lot for me about where we may be at with the military industrial complex even.
There’s a lot of biotechnicians and molecular biologists and all sorts of military guys who are just good
humans looking for a means to express that humanity. And I also believe that those guys are the ones –
the good eagle scouts – are the ones that will make the difference in the next two years. I’m one of these
that believe that between now and 2017 we will see the end of this game and a conscious collective
ascendancy I believe will take place within the next two and a half years. I’m happy to say that on the
Brian: Ah hallelujah!
Heather: I’m gonna do some re-writes. Let’s do some re-writes so we can bump that up. I don’t work
on time continuum Sacha, when it feels good let’s do it!
Brian: Say two years or less. Sounds better.
D: I’m just so happy to hear this.
Brian: You wanna go ahead with your question?
D: I just actually wanted to talk about this because this is actually really important. Especially with
what Sacha was talking about with short waves and the long waves and the fear. I’ve touched on it in
articles. My background is political advocacy for maternal and infant health. When you were talking
about the whole thing about the birthing and what is done to a child I was like “Oh darling, you have no
idea what’s been done” and maybe one day we’ll have a conversation all about that and how it affects
the humanity levels of where we’re at right now. But when I did all my advocacy, all the work that I did
was through Facebook because it was this lovely tool that had been given to us to be able to reach out
across the planet to join people together. Yeah I know, I’m sorry. I can’t help it guys.
And then one day I went into my Facebook, having been off. I’d been really really busy for a couple of
weeks and I had not gone on. And I opened my Facebook and started to scroll down my wall and I
looked and every article that was posted, was about this baby who died from his circumcision, and this
baby who died from the vaccines, and this mother who died while giving birth because of a botched
cesarean section. All of a sudden I sat there and I looked at this and was like – Oh my God, how is this
affecting me when you read because of – that’s what I said my job was was to bring this information
forward – so therefore you have to be involved and you have to read and keep up to date with every
little piece of this news.
And then I realized what it was doing to me and my own frequency and like you say the waves get
shorter, shorter, shorter even though you’re trying to move in love because you are so inundated with
this fear from every aspect. It affects you on a daily basis in ways you can’t even comprehend, and now
that I’m looking at it, I watch people that I interact with daily. For example I have several Skype rooms
and I have these incredible people I deal with who are so amazingly smart, who are so educated on
alternative health, on consciousness on so many levels, and then I watch them slip back because they’re
following every little thing going on in the alternative media. And they follow what’s going on in Gaza
and they’re following what’s going on in Ukraine and this and this and they dig and dig and they
become so overwhelmed –
D: with those short frequencies that it literally incapacitates them. And it shuts them down and I’ve had
conversations where I’ve said to them, “You know. You know what you need to do because you and I
have had this conversation a month ago, six months ago, a year ago and yet now you’re in this place of
[gasp] fear and it becomes a block” and it’s like how do I move forward? I’m so afraid and it’s those
short frequencies and that’s one of the things that I talk about – when we talk about what can people
do? One of the things that I’ve done most recently is to just unplug from all of that and say I can glance
at the headlines and go that’s really funny or this
Lisa: So we don’t have to do these shows anymore? So we can stop blogging? We can
D: I’m not saying that.
Heather: It’s a rap.
Lisa: It’s a rap. OK, we’re done. I’m retired.
D: It’s a rap. But people need to be conscious of the data they’re taking in and its effect on them
physically, emotionally, consciously and how –
Sacha: D, you’re absolutely right, you’re absolutely right.
Brian: One thing I’ll say just in line with what D just said is –
Sacha: Can you hear me Brian?
Brian: Yeah, we hear you. We- awareness is about –
Sacha: I just – I wanted to just say something to what D’s speaking about because it’s so important,
what she’s saying. And again, forget about the intellectual or philosophical or spiritual dimensions of
sovereignty; of zero point. Forget about that for a moment and just look at the biological form -your
body, and your body is the technology. I love the fact that Heather said this earlier because in the last
two or three weeks I’ve been speaking constantly about the human body being the ultimate technology.
We are the galactic technology perfected and this is just something which in my dream state I’m also
exploring at the moment. But I’ll tell you this, I’ve just been in the hills of southern France with my
dear friend, the physicist Dan Winter and his genius crew and we’re making three films at the moment,
which you guys will know about because I intend to get out to you guys with a film crew as well soon
But what I’m learning from the electro-chemistry and the bio-chemistry aspect to what D has just been
talking about is seminal. Oxygenation actually. If you oxygenate your blood properly, you emit
naturally. You can decontaminate yourself and you send out longer forms. You’re more able to engage
with empathic resonance and so on, simply by being oxygenated properly. And also to be hydrated
properly. And another interesting factor here, and I don’t want to take this beautiful meeting into the
subterranean depths of shape-shifting reptilians, much as I love that subject, but what I will say is that
whether we agree with that or not, we cannot disagree with the lower astral realms – the so-called
demonic lower frequency realms – constantly imposing itself on the expression of humanity.
And if we want to – as living men and women – if we want to become protected, so to speak – from that
kind of lower astral intrusion or invasion, then a purely hydrated and oxygenated body is actually the
most important thing you could have, believe it or not. And the bio-chemists that I’ve been talking to
have been telling me how this works at the fractal level, and in respect of the Hertz frequencies that we
emit, so don’t underestimate that.
D: Oh, our bodies are water; our bodies are oxygen and
Sacha: And draconians do not like water. They like methane. They like absence of oxygen. That’s the
reason why the planet is being desecrated multi-generationally, by human beings who have themselves
been co-opted by lower astral intelligences – is because there are those intelligences, supra-national –
sorry, supra-planetary intelligences – that would arguably seek to put this planet into an entropic
Heather: OK, so Sacha you guys have opened the door to what is about to spill out, OK – all over and
all the data will be there. Not one piece missing, all right? So first off you realize everything’s a
construct. Once you realize everything’s a construct but where the source is, OK – so it’s not just me –
that’s one thing that kept me going is, it’s not just me doing this, alright? There’s many aspects to me
that maybe I’m not aware of but I can feel them. I can sense them, OK? All the guys that you’re
referring to, and girls, on all sides of the ponds in every dimension or reality – everyone is tired of what
we went through, OK? So there’s so much help, it’s just a matter of opening up and sensing it, OK? You
may not be able to see it, but you can sense it. You can feel it, and it’s actually what is driving and
what’s always driven me, alright?
At this point a lot of people are sensing that and standing up, where maybe they wouldn’t have six
months ago, a year ago, ten years ago, alright? So I trust in that. I trust that no matter what situation I’m
in, I’m gonna know exactly what to do and this I AM tech or the i-tech or the body tech is where I’m
absolutely focused on. I’m focused on the vehicle that my soul – my being came in, alright? And then
being responsible for any extension or tool that I use as an extension as we go through whether it’s
technology whether it’s communication – you know any kind of financial – it doesn’t matter whatever I
choose I’m just gonna be aware of it, because first I gotta be aware of myself and how this body
functions. I’m really excited to hear – like you said you’re speaking with all these experts and I really
want these experts to stand up because a lot of them – I’ve seen all this data come through when I was
in bank, trade and finance, you know, and it all got buried. All this tech got buried and I had Raymond
Kind who would always discuss with me “I want to distribute”. Fine if we can’t be in charge, then let
us be in charge of distribution, where that’s always the bottleneck. That’s how you stop it.
It’s already alright. Everything was distributed since the beginning – just didn’t see it. So there’s no
distribution to even worry about and right now you’ve got Source activating that tech, OK? And
actually it’s not even activation of the tech, it’s activation of the consciousness of the tech that has
always been functioning in these bodies and it’s refining itself by how conscious you are of it, OK? It’s
actually inherent. The activation function is inherent within the body, so I’m really excited about this.
We’ll go into it I’m sure more later, but it’s a great intro at this point because we use it all the time.
About 99% of the work that I’ve been working with these guys for over the last year, and then of course
Caleb and Loie and and all these others before that, never got reported about, because the databases and
to explain how INforcement and what I was using for INforcement or what we relied on or trusted for
I trust in the blokes like the guy that you just described sitting down with you and going I’ve had
enough because I can feel him. I can sense him. I may not know him by name, but I know there are
MANY of them, and not just here on this planet, but also off, but you gotta start somewhere so I’m
gonna start here with me. And then sense and feel and then see them and they will show themselves as
well so it’s OK. I don’t mind standing. Let’s do it. I’m really excited about this Sacha. I really thank you
for getting on and doing this. It takes only two hands to join together before others see and they start
holding their hand out as well. And we’ll all join together and we’ll refine this and if someone doesn’t
like something just say it, OK? And then we make another choice and go from there. There’s nothing to
be fearful about. Just have fun with it. The more laughter – that’s the biggest cure ever. Say laughter in
medicine and they freak out. They don’t want you to be happy and and if you actually put laughter as
mandate for the medical industry they would have to change the way hospitals looked – how they felt
actually. You’re in Malaysia, right ?
Sacha: Not now, I’m in London but I have a base in Indonesia, yeah.
Heather: OK so I know that when I was in bank, trade, and finance and shifting back into it after the
prosecutor’s office, there were a lot of these spas being created where you could get medical attention
in such a way that it geared to the fact that your family makes you heal. It also – the environment – the
feeling – something beautiful instead of clinical and sterile. It all affects the bio that’s in your body,
Heather: So these are things that I’m looking for. I am VERY focused on the body tech. I am very
focused on the soul tech coming through the body tech and it all just fusing into one, so I want to get
more into that later but I thank you for the intro into that and that’s where my whole heart is right now.
Sacha: Oh beautiful, well I’d love to have another chat with you about the bio-architecture that we’ve
been developing for many years, because we have been doing it. I honestly believe that the team – the
various team – that we represent is leading the world in this now. We’ve built prototypes based on
sacred geometric principles and using things like orgone and what have you. But we’re getting results
in Bali in our prototypes of plant growth of over 200% increase by simply charging the seeds inside
one of the bio-resonant accelerator forms for 72 hours. I mean this is remarkable stuff. I’m speaking to
world-leading physicists like Constantine Kourekov and Dan Winter and Bill Donovan and various
other friends who are informing the process, mathematically speaking.
And I’m learning increasingly that bio-resonance is pure science. It’s fractal science. It’s everything
that’s right and proper about being a living man or a living woman on a living planet, when we’re not
being interceded and having our noble expressions stolen from us so that we become drone worker bees
and all the rest of it. But whilst we’re on the subject of fractality, you’re know you’re gonna come in for
a hail of bullets for having the Hand of Fatima with the all-seeing eye over your right shoulder and the
pentagram, you know, I can just-
Heather: I was joking about that, but we’re in Morocco, come on. But the energetics that we’re talking
about here today sporadically and dispersed through this – that’s why I’m here in Morocco and I think
Mel Ve was the first one to ask me – why are you in Morocco? Why Morocco? And that will all be
visible as well, but it has to do with these centralized focuses from the former systems, you know? The
money side was always – and representation side – was always from China. You put America in front,
OK? But everything’s run from China. And then you have the energetics and everyone thinks it’s
Ireland, and then you have Morocco behind. They never put the one out in front. It’s OK. I get this. I
said if they could see the pentagrams that are on the floor, the eye of Horus, the Hand of Fatima, and I
mean it’s just – and that’s OK. It doesn’t matter. It’s not going to lock and limit. We’ll just keep shining
and it becomes irrelevant so I don’t focus on that stuff, but I did notice it.
Sacha: Brian, I saw a number of questions on the thread related to Sino – Sugi and the reported King of
Kings and Swissindo and all the rest of it. Is this something we want to touch on? The only reason why
I’m keen to speak a little to it is because I noticed that some of the folks that were piling on that thread
were stating that I’m a delegate of Swissindo which I am not, for the record. Never have been. Is this
something we’re comfortable about speaking to?
Brian: It’s so funny that you ask that because right before we jumped online I showed D the list of
questions that I pulled from that thread. I had her put in bold the ones that she thought were the most
prevalent and she said make sure that you ask this one.
Heather: I’m here, I’m just gonna step off camera for a minute.
Brian: What is your position on Swissindo? So whatever it is you feel inclined to share by all means,
now would be a great time.
Sacha Yeah, I’d be more than happy to because I’ve not had any spooky engagement. I’ve only had
pacific engagements with Sino and his council. Yes, I know him and yes, I’ve met him. Not in the flesh
– on Skype interestingly enough – which was curious. I’m also very connected to the pathology of the
so-called “Asian gold” because interestingly enough, nearly ten years ago Humanitad, my foundation
was embroiled in some transactions where we were helping the Asian trust at that time and the living
trustee at that time to try to free up some of the federal safekeeping receipts that had been issued to that
trust since the end of the second world war. And we spent a couple of years traveling with a few trillion
dollars worth of these federal safekeeping receipts trying to get AAA rated banks to use their fed
screens to have them honored and we failed in that endeavor. At a given point I told my team to desist.
I said this is not gonna help. We can’t help free up – using our NGO status and our connections
politically – we’re not able to free up any of these federal safekeeping receipts, or the value or to the
Asian trusts so let’s just let it go.
It was just clear to me ten years ago that we were locked down in endemic fiduciary mafiosa and that’s
where we’ve been for a very long time, so the story of the Asian gold is not new to me. Three of my
directors ten years ago, at my behest, went to go and see the gold in underground caves in southeast
Asia, on two different trips. And they did photograph stuff – brought them back to me – even a gold bar
was brought back to London. And yes, it appears to be Swissindo gold. So then for me to be
approached more recently this year – I think it was in March – by the council of Sino; I was familiar
with the story from ten years ago, albeit he is now the living trustee. The old living trustee must have
died, one assumes.
And I then looked at the huge furor around the Sino A-1 saga and I’ll be quite frank with you – I don’t
know. I don’t know. Energetically I have not received any psychic hits that warn me. I’m not afraid of
anything in this world; be clear about that. So I may be blundering into things but I’ve had engagements
with him and his council only in as much as we were approached by them recently and asked if we
could bring some of our brain trust into A- they thought the New Earth Nation was a good clean blank
canvas – that we had done it well. That we had maintained this absolute neutrality; not having hierarchy
and not having agendas, so to speak, but just creating a blank canvas and they respected that.
And secondly, they asked if we could engage in helping to articulate an international framework – a
new framework for international law and a new framework for international banking. And yes, I’m
connected to some of the world’s leading economists and have been for well over a decade. I’ve been
publishing stuff in macroecomincs for well over ten years as well. It’s a subject I’m fairly conversant
with, he said scratching his head. I was told you should never scratch your head when you’re answering
a question. It means that you’re lying. But actually I banged my head on my bathroom cabinet
yesterday. That’s why I’m doing it.
So we were approached by them and we engaged. And my own engagement with Sino was very
pacific. I found him to be very delightful with a great sense of humor which was refreshing. But I can’t
speak to the subject beyond that. And Mel Ve, who is a friend of mine and an enemy of many, ha ha, –
bless her heart, she’s such an amazing fire-brand – but Mel Ve is engaged, involved with them, I
believe, and some of her instincts I trust tremendously. I’m not afraid of the situation. I do believe that
– I know the gold exists – because again over ten years ago three of my own directors were sent to go
and see it and we saw it. And how can that be lent as collateral to the issue of a new planetary
whatever? Who knows, who cares? I mean I personally don’t think we should have anything backing
any new currencies other than empathy and fellowship and love – creative expression basically.
Brian: Well I’m glad you said that because that was gonna be my next question. First of all, big shout
out to Mel Ve. We love Mel Ve. She’ll listen to this and she’ll appreciate the shout-out. Lets’ turn this
down. What do you say to the ever-growing large collective that believes that the answer to some of the
major challenges that we’re facing individually and collectively as a human race is to have this large
redistribution of wealth, and that being the answer whether that be to the tune of 5 or 10 billion dollars
or 6 million and whatever it is from what Swissindo has to say? What’s your perspective on that just
from a very generalized and whatever it is you want to share?
Sacha: My understanding is that there’s anything between six and nine hundred trillion dollars worth of
gold in respect to street value, if we’re to believe what we’re told, which is housed variously in different
depots across southeast Asia archipelagos and that may or may not be the case. I just don’t bloody
know. I mean I’ve thought about it. I’ve thought well – there was about a month that I spent earlier this
year just thinking – and if that is the scenario, and we can get the gold and we can get countries of the
world, especially the BRICS nations and the developing nations, the G77 nations – if we can get those
countries to begin to accept this gold as backing to the issue of a new zero point non-usurious system,
how is this gonna play out?
Do you deposit 2.6 million dollars in every man, woman, and child’s account? There’s a certain
grotesquerie to that idea frankly, as far as I’m concerned. It just doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t want to
be engaging with bank accounts. I don’t want to be engaging with false value in that way. I find it really
quite discomforting. My mind was not cohering and my heart was not cohering to that language, albeit
one could do that – mathematically speaking – one could engage. If Swissindo were to say here’s the
gold and we could actually see it and touch it now – forget ten years ago – and if we would be able to
work with that gold and free up the national debt in 250 odd countries as a one pure action, I would say
that would be delightful. And as far as the rest of the gold, I’d say let’s make toilet bowls out of it.
D: Hear hear!
Brian: You know, I’m really interested to see what Heather has to elaborate on this one. I could tell
she’s queuing up already so go for it.
D: Heather’s got some interesting info. I can tell you on that one.
Heather: This isn’t like a dropping notes in a larger conversation. This is probably a conversation all
on its own, OK? I’ll say that to begin with so we can go over general concepts and the best way that I
can do that is by going from my own experience, OK? Things that I’ve experienced in whatever way
I’ve experienced them, but speaking from what I’ve experienced. You end up having collateral
accounts. The whole entire system was built on creating a box, and then having – a system should be
able to measure, OK? Because how do you measure – how do you measure Source, OK? Other than
creating a measurement system so that you can experience yourself in some limit, and then just
shooting outside the box, right? So I really am thankful and grateful for purported collateral accounts,
financial system, the energy regulators, because that’s where it really actually comes from. If you want
to treat Earth – Earth is like an exchange trading fund.
I love ETFs. ETFs are probably the greatest transparency tool in the whole financial system, OK? You
can only bring something that is actually of value into it. It has to actually be something tangible, right?
And then what they do is they create – it’s actually called “creation units” – that they cut, right? Creation
units. And the way that you actually get creation units is by bringing something of value in, so the
creation units can be cut out, and then they have a mirror set up on a NASDAQ or some kind of market
system, and that’s actually where the fiat is all generated, OK? Earth is an exchange trading fund and
the little funds that are inside of it are just the beings themselves, OK? I’ve always known from the
beginning, Loie and I – Loies’ my mom – Loie and I used to talk about this all the time. What is the
easiest way to have a very peaceful moment OK – in that transition from mandates – not experiencing
Source to experiencing that you are Source and that was just full remembrance, OK? Then the other
thing was – what makes money, time, and all of that irrelevant, OK?
Do you do bridges? And of course everyone’s gonna fight over bridges. Everyone’s gonna fight over
who distributes, who manages, who controls, who gets to experience the bridge even. So at that point it
was really simple. Have everyone actually experience the value that they BE in these vehicles. That’s
why if you have people that can manifest with their thoughts and know that they can manifest, you can
manifest anything you want. You want to manifest 500,000 – which I think is so funny because they’re
saying if they move to this gold-backed system, right? You can’t take a commodity and make it a
backing for a financial system, which is why they’re trying to take down the whole commodity as far as
gold and silver go because you know, they know that. It’s already been dispersed.
D: With the silver fix going down.
Heather: Silver fix going down. People backing out. OK, so here’s the thing, if I’m able to manifest
whatever it is I want and let’s say I manifest 500,000, they now got – and actually it’s been there – Basel
III has been in existence actually for years. They just haven’t been able to implement it, OK? And I
worked with one of the Basel III certified guys that go in and they tell you whether a bank is good or
not. Can they meet the Basel III requirements? And he used to sell “certificates of good standing” in
lieu of lines of credit so that he could build his own business and we called him “Dr. Death” because it
only took a bad letter or a good letter to determine whether you were going to live or die, OK? I’ve seen
so much of all of this and I’ve had my own experiences.
It was not just a blurb in a conversation. This was a whole conversation on its own and really not one I
care to pay too much energy into, OK? I am focused on the tech that you – that these vehicles are – for
the Being that comes and shines through it, because then money’s irrelevant. Then whether or not you
have a patch of land to grow some food is irrelevant. You can experience whatever you want and you
can use time as a mechanism to elongate it or shorten it and determine whether you just want to
manifest it out of thought or whether you want to actually experience and give and interchange with the
actual seed that grows into a plant. It just depends and that should be everyone’s own personal choice
and their journey. The collateral accounts – Swissindo – I got to talk to Sino on Skype – same as you –
not in person. Nobody really comes to visit me in person except for these crazy folks. And so these –
Sino was just a beautiful energy, of course. He had – you know – there was a language issue or an
interpretation issue and so a man named Ross – I can’t even remember his full name.
Brian; Ross Hamley.
Heather: Ross Hamley just jumps in and he’s got a whole different energetic signature than Mr. Sino,
you know, but we spent an hour and a half and I really listened to what they were saying. And I had
Mikael – he’s like the Eric Holder of Italy, right – and he’s contacting indirectly and saying we need a
solution. The systems have not been able to generate funds since 2012, so they’re on fumes. When I say
they’re on fumes, they’re on fumes. They’re pulling from their own vaults at this point. And like you say
Sacha, everyone sitting here is broke because we’ve used all the tools from the old system to do what
we did. Now can we manifest? Absolutely and we always do.
So that’s why we’re still sitting here after being broke for however many years. Is because we can
manifest it – whatever we need. We always have the tools we require, to do what we desire. And that is
how we actually function. These body techs bring in our souls – our soul’s already got everything, OK?
Our Being-ness, because even soul is another level – and hierarchy in this whole thing – I mean
oversoul – you’ve got avatar. There’s so many different functions. I know Lisa had gotten some data.
I’m looking at it going “Yes, I’ve seen it and I know it’s there. I know that it’s been there. I’m choosing
to focus here and now on this”.
There’s no limits to you and that’s why I really wanted to have this as video so that I could see you
because even if we’re not in the same room, I can still send those long waves. They get to you and they
actually go out even further, you know. One plus one does not equal two. Never has. So with the
collateral accounts – with Mr. Sino -Swissindo – I was very clear is a transparency tool. And the old
man – people call him grandfather – they have many names for him – he’s been working on
transparency. We all have, OK? In order to make this moment now and to have this glorious explosion
of light coming from every vehicle throughout the universe and back again and then generating that
over-abundance – that over-unity. There is no lack whatsoever. Can I play with all these tools? Can I go
in and reactivate certain tools? Yes, but they’re not gonna look like they did before. They won’t.
There’s no lack anymore. And when what is required to reactivate those tools is done, that’s what
they’re afraid of, which is why they don’t want it done and that’s OK. I get that. So I’ve really focused
and listened to the “them” and “us” for the whole entire time – through the investigations – through all
of it. I wanted to know and experience from both sides – proverbial both sides – because how else do
you find where you meet in the middle and where you have actually always been and you never left?
Unless you listen to both the “them” and “us” OK? So I listened to Sino. I listened to all those guys. All
I can say is, it’s time to join hands everyone. It’s time to move forward and realize we actually never let
hands go. We’ve all been together this whole entire time working from different approaches, and I’m
ready to rock and roll this thing, and really, really enjoy the light that has never been experienced
before, not just on this planet but in this universe. And collateral accounts? OK, we can reactivate those
but it’s not gonna look like it did before.
Sacha: Yeah. No, exactly right. Beautiful, thank you for that.
D: Well, that’s one of the things that’s very, very interesting – in that there is no lack. We’ve been
playing, if you will, or teaching ourselves again about the – there is no lack, just in our own local –
where we are.
It’s an ongoing joke between Heather and I that where we are in Morocco, it is very, very dry and all of
a sudden we had this well that started drying up. People didn’t have water. And you realize you start
paying energy into that – you know, you shouldn’t water the garden every day because there could be a
lack of water. We can’t do this. Let’s not do this because you know, we don’t want to run out of water.
Lisa: 21 people deciding not to shower because you don’t want to run out of water is not pleasant.
D: No. So we sit there one day and everyone has gone out and it’s basically Heather and I and our eight
kids because we are clinically insane. Don’t ask. So we’re sitting there and literally the pump turns off
in the well and we have no water. So we’re sitting there, hauling the good old-fashioned way – you’ve
got the bucket on the rope and we’re dropping it down the well, hauling it up and as we’re hauling up
water, Heather says to me, “You know, we created this” and I’m like “Yeah shut up and just pull
water” and it was so in our face. We created this because that’s where we kept paying our energy. So
then we sat there and we were like – “There is no lack of water – There is more than enough water for
everyone to do what we need to do”.
Heather: And almost immediately there was water.
D: There was water. We had water.
Sacha: That’s the grail. And you got it. That is physics. That is pure physics.
D: No, no, no because we had to go through a couple more times of this.
Sacha: Either which way, humans create climate create water create primary water. We are it,
absolutely. That’s a beautiful story.
D: It was in your face and you have people that sit there and say can you do this? Can you manifest?
My analogy that I always use is manifesting a tomato. Can you do this? And I’m like no, but I can
manifest water because we’ve proven it over and over now. And we can un-manifest water.
Heather: But that’s the flip of fear, you know what I mean?
D: Yes exactly.
Heather: When you realize that you acted in fear and you manifested whatever that fear toned OK –
and then I just put an imagination to that fear and and that frequency creates. I can create the exact
opposite, or I can create something completely new – something I’ve never experienced. That is so
empowering at that moment and it’s been a journey for me personally to come to that realization. Now
there’s nothing anyone can tell me – to tell me you can’t manifest because there’s not one thing I can’t
manifest. If I feel it and I want to experience it, it’s done before I even start, you know. That’s where we
are, and that’s where things are going at this point. So yes, do I see all this stuff over here, fear and fear
porn and all that? Of course I do. I do see it. I’m not ignoring it, but I’m going to do – to change it- I’m
going to do what resonates with me and manifest something not in fear, but in love and compassion.
That’s the best thing that I can say right now as to what I’m going to do.
Sacha: Yes, I’ll say it again, it’s pure science and when we extend or project our plasma bodies and –
we are all of us variously wizards and warlocks and witches, whether we’re conscious or unconscious
of those processes we are – that’s how we operate in different wave forms whilst we’re asleep, in
different states of consciousness. We’re constantly casting spells on one another and curses and
blessings in this world and when we begin to understand that those energetics – those supra and sub
energetics – are the energetics that actually create a pincer movement in our reality field – that actually
becomes the dance of Shiva and Shakti – in respect of manifestation. This is something so important.
I mean when you identify with scarcity and we project our plasma body to that form then scarcity will
do our bidding. It will be our overlord. It will hold the space. Conversely when we project the other, the
other will emerge. This is the real majesty of the human condition that is emerging now, off the back of
a very long and arguably diabolical galactic sleep, is that we are awakening with this photonic capacity
to bend time as we discussed earlier, and to manifest things almost instantaneously. Certainly the more
we release these false constraints and notions of time, we will indeed be able to manifest
instantaneously because it is where we plasma-embed our projected id, that is where the majesty of our
immortal energetics will carry. There is nothing that we cannot accomplish. Nothing we cannot achieve
or nothing we cannot be or create and the more that we are able to simply own that space and own that
knowing, we become it. And the whole of that canaanite ritualistic babylonian God-awful paradigm
that we’re all aware is so toxic becomes voided in one instant.
Heather: Yes. Well that’s where I wanted to – I’m gonna let these guys take over for the rest with you
and I’ll follow in but I just wanted to say this -I know, I’m watching – she has a clock up on here – bad
girl. What I want to say is this – I’ve got my toolbox, OK? And the biggest thing I have in my toolbox
right now is me, OK? For me in my toolbox. I am going to put my toolbox out and join together with
all the other toolboxes and I really want to get this rolling so fast – in the twinkle of an eye, OK?
Sacha: Good. Thank you, then that’s open season now to be harassing you, so I thank you for that.
[laughter] Heather: Anytime.
Brian: Welcome to the club.
D: We do it all the time.
Lisa: Speaking of time we have been recording this now for a couple of hours, so just as we start to
wrap things up I’m gonna hand things over to Brian and D. We can just throw out some of the questions
we know are the most common that did come up both in the chatroom, on the website and through
various Facebook threads and if you guys could just give some – you know- concise short answers
when you can, if you can. And I have deliberately stepped back today because I really wanted to enjoy
– myself – the interaction between the two of you and watch you guys play together and I feel very
honored to be here in the space that we’re in with everybody that has supported bringing this together.
As makeshift as it looks, you’ve got no idea what was required.
D: Actually the energy that went into it.
Lisa: And the people who are devoted, truly devoted to assisting in any way they can. I know you’ve
got your own team of highly devoted people who do that too, so I just want to say they know who they
are so shout-out.
Sacha: Nice – ditto that.
Lisa: So Brian, take it away.
Brian; It’s gonna be funny asking some of these questions because we’ve gotten into the realm of what
we’re used to talking about, Sacha which is a lot
Lisa: The energetics
Brian: revolves around energetics and the process of manifestation technology and how we tap into
these innate abilities we have lying dormant within all of us as individuals and as a collective and now
we’re gonna get into more specifics about documents and that kind of thing and I don’t necessarily think
that aids the flow of where we’ve headed.
Brian: But what we could do – I could just throw out a few so that people that spent the time to, you
know, write the questions
Heather: May I make a different suggestion?
Heather: I see you have them on a doc form.
Heather: I will spend the time and energy to answer each of those questions specifically.
Brian: You just read my mind.
Heather: And that way we can post them later.
Heather: And finish this up in the energetics that we’ve set.
Lisa: We’ll forward to you as well.
D: We’ll compile it and then we’ll publish it out so that everyone can
D: Get the answers.
Brian: Can I just ask one question real quick and then we’re off this? I really like that and then put it
out and video.
Heather: Of course you like it because I do the work.
Brian: It’s not just audio right, it’s video as well. She’s gonna do video too. This is an event for
Heather. When was the last time you were on a video conference? I don’t think ever.
Brian: So that’s a note to Sacha – that’s a first big time. As of late we all live together here in Morocco
in Aouchtam. It’s somewhat of a compound that we live in with – I don’t know – 20 of us there right
Sacha: Listen if you’re hitting me up for a loan the answer is no.
[laughter] Brian: You don’t even know how much yet. I want to end this on a – it’s been such a beautiful call and
such a beautiful sharing and I knew that’s exactly how it was gonna be and why I was so excited, you
know, for the days leading up to this so Sacha, deepest bows of gratitude for you coming on and
sharing this time with us.
Sacha: Thank you.
Brian: It’s been an interesting time the last couple weeks and we’ve had – Heather specifically has had
people reach out to her that she hasn’t talked to in years, all at the same time it seems, via Skype. You
know, people that she’s had really close contacts with over the years.
Heather: That’s just because they can’t get the reevaluation done.
Brian: For whatever reason there have been all these characters that have swung into focus that have
been coming out of the woodwork – I have to say synchronistically, all at the same time. I would ask
Heather what do you think is the – what is the – what do you think is going on behind all that and what
is happening right now that’s in the unseen, that for whatever reason is all happening at this moment?
What is this moment? What does this moment represent to you?
Heather: We’re sitting here together. That’s really what it’s about. And us talking about putting our
energies together, pushing more energies out. Yes, all these old contacts from intel, from banking, from
all over have been contacting me and I get that the reevaluations and the new launch of the financial
system aren’t working, and that they want some help and so what I did was – I looked to see and I’ve
actually been watching Sacha since the first time that Nanako and you guys contacted me – I’ve been
watching to see who the “them” and the “us” were all sort of paying energy to. And where did they
resonate? Where did they magnetize to? And Sacha you’ve done such a beautiful job at centralizing and
they’ve done a beautiful job at centralizing, so I could see where certain folks – certain frequencies – are
drawn to this particular area over here and then I see over here and the way that it was going to work
out in certain agendas, was to create an illusory unseen third party to join the “us” and the “them”.
So what I’m saying is – why don’t we just join “us” and “them” together as one which is what we
already all are? So I’m coming out in a way – yes, that I’m not terribly comfortable with – but it’s really
helped to just be able to sit and to focus on you in your chair there to not have to worry about video.
But I want people to see things that they haven’t seen before so I’ve got to start with me. And if
everyone starts with themselves – being self-responsible – self-aware, then we can move forward. I am
watching them – the proverbial “them” and Sacha you magnetize really well and so I’m here to join
Sacha: Thank you Heather, and thank you for coming out of the closet. You’re flanked by two
goddesses so you’ve got some serious support and you’ve got a warrior in the front there – Brian. Yeah,
this is very, very exciting and again I can’t wait to speak with Greg, Paul, and Wolfgang and Jean
Marie. My beautiful team. I’m their team. They’re my team. We’re just completely aligned and cohered
to everything I’m hearing from you guys, so yeah – good good good good good. Let’s do some deep
[echoes] [inaudible] Sacha: Good, you know I’m going to southeast Asia next week for about a month. Also filming there
and then I was planning to come back to Europe and then I’m planning to come on to Morocco, so see
you sooner rather than later.
[inaudible] D: I’ll have coffee.
Sacha: Thank you, D thank you.
Brian: OK, can I end with my quote that I used [inaudible] for me personally. Limitations live only in
our minds but if we use our imaginations our possibilities become limitless. Good quote for the
Collective Imagination show.
Sacha: Om Shanti Shanti Shanti.
Brian: Sacha, thank you man. A pleasure as always. It’s been too long. Let’s not make it so long again
before next rendezvous.
Sacha: Thank you Brian. Thank you Lisa. Thank you D. Thank you Heather.
Heather: Thank you.
Brian: We love you man.
Heather: Love you.
Brian: Be well. Namaste.