# HATJ: Focus on the Expansive Outcome
Heather Ann Tucci-Jarraf and BZ Riger phone conversation recorded 11:31 AM PDT. The importance of focusing on the expansive outcome. Not just the details of this moment.
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Transcript of HATJ hearing on 8.4.17
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DC Court Transcript 04AUG2017