Excerpt from New 5D Forum: What is Happening to Heather’s DOV docs
posted in a skype room discussion this morning
[7:14:04 AM] DanielW:
The new 5D Forum is up and running and may provide some valuable perspectives on certain aspects of the former slavery system which should be of interest to us all. For instance this exchange between a new member and a moderator – Andrew Toppin is quite interesting.
So, while it may be quite lengthy I post an excerpt from it here:
I would like to try and formulate my DOV question better…
Some context to my thinking:
At some point in our history, humanity started believing that we need to barter for goods and services. And at some later point we believed gold and silver would be a great way to abstract the value of goods and services – an economy was born.
Was this a natural development / evolution?
Michael Tellinger’s research concludes this was not natural, and was a deliberate introduction by the Anunnaki.
Be that as it may, initially everyone carried their money (gold and silver) on them – everyone started out as a “bank”.
But over time, probably for security reasons, we started giving our physical gold and silver to bankers to store it, in exchange for IOUs… so at any time we could reconcile our IOU with the bankers… and get our real money back…
Fast forwarding to today… today we do not have gold and silver… but we still have IOUs (paper, coin and digital)… so the question is: what intrinsic value is our currency based on? Obviously not gold and silver…
And the answer the One People community supplies to this question is: we are the value… our eternal essence embodied is the value. It has always been… even way back when, when we started believing the Anunnaki that we need to barter, and also later on when we believed the value was gold… even then, we were the real value.
This makes sense to me. I totally get this answer. In fact, this is the only answer anyone has given on the issue that I get.
Now, getting back to the DOV… here is where my wheels fall off…
If in reality all currency is IOUs, and the actual “money” is really our eternal essence, and not even gold… how do we reconcile our DOV IOUs (i.e. Federal Reserve Notes), back to our eternal essence? At some point it has to be reconciled right…?
I hope I have made a better job out of formulating my question…
Andrew Toppin:
You’re most welcome Tertius.
From my understanding of the Financial system the reason for the confusing is that we currently are using only part of what makes up the Eternal or Absolute Value System. Our current version of the system lacks certain key items of the Eternal / Absolute Value System. The portions which we lack are Transparency, Liability and Accountability. Without these key portions we have a system of domination, limitation and control.
As I see it Gold is a representation of your Spirit / Soul and Silver is a representation of the Body. These are representations of your BEing and DOing and currently these are limited by the system which ascribes arbitrary “Values” to your BEingness and your DOing in a way that keeps the system of domination and control in power. If your BEing and DOing benefits the status quo you are given more “Value” in the form of currency, FRNs or money. However, no one INbodiment’s BEing and DOing is any more important than any other’s. The banking laws are written with that knowledge and allow for things like Promissory Notes, Letters of Credit and so on, however, the system only allows those it deems fit to use them. This is where transparency comes into play. The system does not allow every INbodiment equal footing, so by us issuing DOVs transparently and with full liability and accountability we are seeking to bring balance to the system.
The accountability issue which you are facing and which we all face is because we are trying to reconcile a system of limitation with a system of abundance. In the old system we were told people from country x are only worth some arbitrary value, but people from country q are worth more thereby giving rise to limitation and control by those who made those value judgments. This allowed them to pit one group against another while still getting all of the benefits. I don’t believe the figures in the filings are what each INbodiment is actually worth, after all we are infinite. I think they were set at such a level to get us to embrace the fact that we are infinite and start to act in that manner.
To dream and do what we dream in full confidence that we have enough to do it with. I see it as a way of bridging the gap between Limitation and Abundance. I don’t think we can ever really account for it in traditional terms because accounting was used as a means of limitation. The way I see accounting working from this point forward is “did I do what I say I would do?”, or put another way “do my actions correspond with my words and intent?” and if they don”t “have I made thing right in the eyes of those concerned?”
Hope this was helpful and that I have made some sense.
Read more at: http://www.5dmedianetwork.com/forum/the-one-people-1/what-is-happening-to-heathers-dov-document/
Just one point of clarification Tertius is also a moderator on the 5D Forum. 🙂
Reading this triggered an epiphany for me. The real issue is the concept of ownership. The economy, the value exchange system and the power are all connected to someone owning something exclusively. You can’t sell what you don’t own (or have rights to).
If we are all one then everything that exists is owned (or not owned) by everyone equally. Whatever I have in my possession or that I create belongs to everyone. We can all stop worrying about the value as soon as we get that we are one and there is no ownership to separate us.
I totally agree with you Anaya. I no longer consider myself the “owner” of my house, and definitely do not own the land it sits on. That land is Gaia’s body, and I can’t own it any more than the organisms that live on my arm can own that part of my body. Instead I see myself as the “steward” of the house and the land it sits on. I should add that applying that same stewardship to all the “things” I (have) consider(ed) my own is quite a challenge.
Note; we don’t need a bank to place our gold and silver into any more. 3rd party vaulting systems like goldmoney.com digitizes your gold and silver in various currencies at your request and has vaults in five locations around the world to hold your physical precious metals in. They audit the holdings 3 or 4 times a year in their vaults and are completely transparent to it’s customers. Your debit card gives you access to your value and you can travel around the world using it. Precious metals may seem archaic but you cant print them out of thin air and they’ve always held their value throughout time. The only problem we currently have is the manipulation of the precious metals by our governments and banks because PM are the only alternative to any fiat system that threaten them. Once the world wide financial system crashes again the control over PM will stop and the true value of gold and silver will be allowed to reach equalibrium with their fiat counterparts. It’s not what you all want to hear but at least it’s a realistic stepping stone to having a no monetary system in place that people can understand before we introduce them to approaching a bank with a bunch of documents to monetize their value. The problem is the mindset of the bankers who don’t want to change how they treat us. With Basil III banks recognize gold/silver as an asset to which they are allowed to use for their own backing so it stands to reason to use that very method as a means to get them to start easing back to square one. Which is of course is; us.
Hi Joe! I’m curious about what the “true value of gold and silver” is. For me, it’s not more valuable than my family, friends, and associates. I can’t eat it, so it’s not more valuable than food. I can’t wear it when it’s cold outside to keep me warm. I can’t live in it. I can wear it as an adornment, if it’s fashioned and shaped into something I like. But I don’t wear much jewelry, so it’s value for me even in that respect is limited. So it seems like, even for gold and silver, “the value” is determined by those who see value in it. Where does that leave someone like me, in a system that uses those metals as the value?
Whereas when we accept that true value is in Being, well, that applies equally to every Being on the planet! It’s the same value for each of us, and it’s a value that is unlimited.
The logical conclusion from “Being is the value” is that we don’t need a monetary system at all. That’s a hard row to hoe for most people, so in the meantime I can see us using debit cards (or whatever) based on our value as a being. We use that system for as long as it takes us, as a global community, to realize that we don’t need to exchange “some thing”, we exchange our energy and our creations instead. “I share with you my energy (work / joy / creations / ideas / assistance) because it is my joy to do so, not because you give me anything in return. And you do the same, because it is your joy to do so, whatever your joy is. In that scenario each of us accepts full and complete responsibility for our actions; we expect nothing from each other, but rather appreciate each other’s intent. We find our own joy in doing, and allow every other Being to do the same.
Bravo Kathelena!!!
You articulated the next logical step brilliantly.
some of us are in such a deep hole financially that this UV inchnge is a lifeline. Once we get that put to rest and maybe have a quick vacation and fix the roof I’m ready to start cleaning ip the planet