Captain Deryl Zeleny’s Conversation with Ken (Deputy Enforcement Officer) and Jamie (of OPP)
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Deryl: Until you show me the original document, you have no proof who legally owns the property.
Ken: That’s not up to me. I’m acting on the writ of possession issued by the court.
Deryl: And as you know, the court has no standing.
Ken: Well, that’s according to you.
Deryl: Well, it’s not according to me, it’s according to the documents, the UCC filings.
Ken: I’m asking you to leave.
Deryl: I’m politely declining, and not consenting.
Jamie: Can we talk?
Deryl: Sure we can.
Deryl: Uh, yeah.
Ken: Who have we got here, Deryl?
Deryl: These are friends of mine, Desmond, Paula. You met Paula yesterday.
Jamie: I got my boots on.
Deryl: That’s fine. Wherever you want to sit.
Jamie: Yeah, I know that, I read that in the code. The problem is, they have no… I’d like to ask you to come away peaceably. Now, you’re a good guy. I remember… I just don’t want this to turn into anything ugly.
Deryl: Now this is a matter of principle. I’m a public officer, as you know, and this is fraud. It is perpetuated fraud
Deryl: And the bank knew.
Jamie: But Deryl, that has nothing to do with me removing you.
Deryl: So you’re an enforcing officer for the bank.
Jamie: No, no, no. I work for the Ontario government, we’ve been asked to come here. The gentleman [points to Ken] has given us documents. It’s been reviewed by the detectives, everything is in order there. And they’ve asked us to come because you won’t leave.
Jamie: So I knew you, so I thought I would come as a sergeant. Just promoted.
Deryl: Paula, can you get the binder with the UCC filings?
Paula: Yes, it’s in your case?
Deryl: Yeah, it’s probably in the case there.
Deryl: The one with the documents report. See, people in the government know what’s going on, and you guys don’t know it. I know it.
Jamie: So be it though, and I remember having that conversation with you at Adrian’s place, there.
Deryl: No, there should be another binder. Can you excuse me for a minute?
Paula: Are you guys interested in speaking with me also, because I’m apprised of the situation?
Paula: Ok, the OPP is also a corporation and has also been foreclosed.
Paula: There’s a huge global shift underway. I’m a Ph.D who was hired to bring this program on board by U.S. Treasury… I’m sorry, not hired, I was asked to do it. The document analysis. The difficulty… ok, go ahead.
Deryl: Ok, you think you work for the government.
Jamie: Last time we checked, the Ontario government.
Deryl: Well, it’s not a government, it’s a corporation. Under international law, that corporation has been foreclosed on, and the assets have been seized. Ok? Are you familiar with commercial law?
Deryl: Neither was I. This court file number is a docket number. It’s registered under the Commercial Registry. And there’s a substantial amount associated with it.
Paula: We’re good. Desmond’s dealing with the locksmiths.
Desmond: I don’t think that’s a locksmith and they’re not giving their names.
Deryl: Ok, why not?
Desmond: They’ll give them to Deryl and that’s all.
Deryl: Ok, so Canada is a corporation. Ok? The United States corporation, all governments, have been foreclosed. I’m sorry: all government corporations have been foreclosed on. Canada was registered as a corporation in 1934. We have not had an organic government since then.
Jamie: I don’t know. You’re talking over my head, right?
Deryl: Well, this is an educational process. I had to go through that. I was shocked. I thought I worked for the government; we don’t have a government. These individuals represent investors.
Jamie: (inaudible) she worked for the government.
Paula: But it’s not a government, sir.
Deryl: It’s not a government. It’s a corporation.
Jamie: But you see…
Deryl: The corporation’s been foreclosed on.
Jamie: I know you think that, but that’s not our thinking.
Deryl: It’s not what we think, it’s legally registered. These corporations are legally registered. This is the default. Under the Public Trust, the US Treasury seized the assets of the Federal Reserve in 2011 and 2012. They found that the systemic fraud was far bigger. So then the Public Trust seized the assets of the Bank for International Settlements. You’re familiar with trust law, are you not?
Jamie: We don’t take that in school. Remember, you asked me that? We don’t take that. We take criminal law. They don’t teach you that. And they don’t teach us that either.
Paula: Gentlemen, the key issue is that the world has now changed. And we are all personally liable for our actions, and if you take action on behalf of these foreclosed corporations, you are yourselves personally liable.
Paula: There’s no escaping that.
Deryl: Here’s another one. This is the military order and direction. Ok? We’re into what? Two months now. This is a private monetary system. It is illegal. Under the original charter of Canada in 1967, Canada is the only authorized agent to coin money. A bank cannot coin money, and that’s what their doing. And Ken and I talked about it yesterday, and the day before.
Deryl: What they do is a debt/credit entry. Do you have a mortgage?
Deryl: It’s illegal. It’s fraudulent because they don’t loan you anything.
Deryl: All they have is a computer entry…
Jamie: I don’t really understand this but anyways, I came here because first of all, I’m the supervisor today. I remember your name, it got mentioned that the enforcement officer asked you to leave. So I thought that I would come up here and talk with you, right?
Jamie: As person to person. Bottom line is, you’re going to have to leave. I know this here, that’s something beyond me. But if you have that issue then that’s your issue. But my job now is to bring this to a peaceful resolution.
Deryl: And so is mine. Am I breaking the law?
Jamie: You are right now according to our law. I don’t know about all laws.
Deryl: What is the law I’m breaking?
Jamie: Because right now you have been evicted, right? And if you don’t leave then it’s under the trespass on property act, or it could be ‘unlawfully in a dwelling house’. Which is criminal.
Deryl: What does this state here? Am I defending my dwelling peacefully?
Jamie: Yeah. But the bank says you can’t remain here.
Deryl: So you’re working for the bank. I don’t have an issue. Here’s the thing: I don’t have an issue if you show me the original note. Show me that they have provided a loan. Where the money came from.
Jamie: Yeah, Deryl, I can’t get into that. I don’t know.
Deryl: Why not?
Jamie: You’re way up here, I’m down here (gestures with hands). Right? That’s all.
Deryl: Well, this is education. Let’s talk tickets, ok? When you issue a citation at the end of the road, do you give… under contract law, you issue a contract…
Jamie: There’s no contract. We don’t get involved with that.
Paula: Sir, all civil issues are contract law.
Deryl: You issue a ticket for $60. Do you give the original contract to the driver?
Deryl: Why not?
Jamie: Because it gets submitted to the courts, the original, signed by the officer.
Deryl: Ok. Guess what? Under contract law, if it’s a contract, you must give it to the guy your bill.
Deryl: The bank has committed fraud, because that note that they issue, alright, they take it and they bundle it, and then they sell it again. So you sell it to an investor, they take ten mortgages.
Deryl: So not only are they asking you to pay your mortgage, they turned around and sold it to investors. Now that mortgage is paid again. Yet you’re still paying interest and you’re still paying the principal on it. Do you follow me?
Jamie: Yeah, I see.
Deryl: So you show me the original note. You have the bank produce the original note.
Jamie: No, we’re not dealing with this, right? We’re asking you to leave. I don’t know about the banks, right? All I know is we’ve been presented by the enforcement officer, right, has asked us to come and evict you. Other than that I don’t know. We don’t get into that. If that’s an issue with you guys, then you’ll have to deal with that. My primary role today… [turns to Paula] I’m listening to you too… My primary role today is the… to resolve this peacefully. I don’t want to put any handcuffs on anyone. I don’t want to do anything like that. But I’m just coming to you as a person and an acquaintance who knows you, plus I’m wearing this uniform as well. You wear a uniform too.
Deryl: That’s right.
Jamie: We have values in the OPP, right? Professionalism, accountability, respectful relations— and so that’s what I’m trying to exercise.
Deryl: I agree.
Paula: Sir, you’re exercising it on behalf of a defunct corporation.
Jamie: Ok, but, you think that, I don’t think that.
Paula: But, sir, I don’t think that.
Paula: The evidence is here. Is it not incumbent on you to assess the evidence?
Jamie: I don’t understand anything that been put…
Paula: But then how can you announce something if you don’t understand it?
Jamie: …with your stuff. I understand the law.
Deryl: So the law says— what does the law say? You’re saying I’m trespassing.
Jamie: There’s two things here: we can go provincially, which is trespassing because you’re not supposed to be here, or we can go criminally…
Jamie: Which you’re unlawfully in a dwelling house.
Deryl: But I’m defending my dwelling peacefully.
Jamie: You don’t have a dwelling house.
Deryl: Yes I do. You show me that they own the note, and I will leave. You show me the original, signed note.
Jamie: Not gonna do it, though, today.
Deryl: Why not? Why aren’t you going to do it?
Jamie: Because you’re in a different level, Deryl, than I am.
Deryl: Ok, well, look: I’m going to bring you up.
Jamie: I know, but listen: I talked to you for an hour that day at the house.
Deryl: Ok, so: what was the evidence there?
Jamie: I don’t know, to be honest I didn’t really…
Deryl: Did you research anything?
Jamie: Nooo, I didn’t. We don’t have the time. We don’t get involved with that.
Deryl: But, see, I do.
Jamie: Ok, you do. But whatever your rules or laws you’re dealing with, we’re not dealing with it.
Deryl: But, ok, do you guys follow international law? The criminal code can no longer ask… it must be in compliance with international law, ok? These registrations are done in international law, under commerce. And because of the fraudulent acts they’ve committed internationally, ok, their assets have been foreclosed.
Jamie: Again, though, you’re so beyond what we’re dealing with, right?
Paula: Sir, respectfully, it’s incumbent on everyone to educate themselves because this is the new reality.
Jamie: It’s your reality. It’s not our reality, ok?
Paula: It’s coming.
Jamie: Exactly, Ok, if it comes, great. Those are the rules we follow, right? We all have rules in this country, in this province, that we follow. And I’m sworn to do so.
Deryl: And I’m sworn to do so, too. This is an educational process. In this email, you’ll see the people I’m dealing with, ok? Which members of the Department of Justice; Department of Homeland Security; IMF; World Bank. What is the evidence that we have before us, logically? You have a claim and you have a court, a court order, ok?
Jamie: You were given documents, right? Was it yesterday he was given documents? I gave Ken documents yesterday. No, he gave them to you…
Ken: On the 18th.
Deryl: On the 18th I was served.
Jamie: So whatever you’re going by, you’re going by, but that’s what we’re going by here.
Deryl: And here’s the thing: the corporation of Canada is foreclosed. They have no standing. The train is still going down the track, ok? And we just happen to be right at the peak of it, before all this knowledge is out there.
Deryl: Ok, this is what we’re doing, is we’re educating you guys here.
Jamie: So what’s gonna happen, Deryl, then, is… you’ve gotta leave. You’ve heard my position…
Jamie: I’ve tried to come here, tried to talk to you, but what’s going to happen? Because you’re not leaving, and we can’t leave.
Deryl: Sure you can. You guys can leave. Or you can arrest me. But then you define what the charge is, ok? My position is, I’m peacefully defending my property. I will leave if the bank can produce the original note. Which I know they can’t, because they committed fraud.
Ken: The section there says ‘in lawful possession’.
Deryl: I am in lawful possession.
Ken: That’s where the dispute is, we’re saying it’s no longer yours lawfully, it’s the bank’s. That’s our dispute.
Deryl: There we go. Then prove it.
Ken: I’m sorry, I don’t have the background to do that.
Deryl: Fine. So all you get is a piece of paper and you enforce that. And the signature on the bottom, I believe, is from the lawyer. So lawyers are enforcing this, ok? Was I allowed to provide the evidence in court?
Ken: I don’t know. I don’t know.
Deryl: I wasn’t, because it’s a rubber stamp. The procedure has been set up in Ontario to rubber stamp foreclosures. Did you read the U.S. Treasury report?
Ken: I read a lot of stuff [laughs].
Deryl: Ok: U.S. Treasury report… did an investigation in 2008-2009 into the systemic fraud, and this is what they uncovered.
Deryl: I have all the original documents. I have all the original filings. It’s a matter of public record, public policy, and public law. International law.
Deryl: So: does the OPP support international law or not?
Jamie: Well, you’d have to ask the Commissioner that. I don’t know.
Deryl: Do you have his number?
Jamie: I think it’s on the internet. You could email him, who knows? That’s it.
Deryl: The politicians know what’s going on. Why do you think McGuinty resigned? The assets have been seized. The corporation of Ontario has been foreclosed on. McGuinty left with a billion dollars of fraud, ok?
Jamie: Well, I mean, Deryl, that’s your opinion there, eh? Everyone has different opinions, right? So… What I deal with, see, is the criminal code. And I deal with provincial…
Jamie: That’s right. So as of right now, the officer’s saying that you’re not supposed to be here. They’ve had… the bank has filed through the courts, and we’re here to speak with you, to ask you to leave. If you don’t leave, then I’m going to have to do something I really don’t want to do. Because I think you’re a good guy.
Deryl: Ok, so you know me, alright? You have an oath and bond… you have an oath and bond. Shari is the sheriff who is not a sheriff. See, now have a criminal code offence here. Shari Parr said to me when I served her that she was not a sheriff. But she is signing on behalf of the sheriff.
Jamie: I don’t know anything about sheriff stuff. We were just asked to come today and ask you guys to leave.
Deryl: And I say, peacefully, no, I’m defending my property. I’m peacefully defending my property, and registering this.
Jamie: So, there’s going to be no solution anyway…
Deryl: Sure there is. There is a solution, ok?
Jamie: No, I mean today, Deryl, because the solution for you is to to stay and that you don’t have to pay any money for your house to the banks and that. And we’re not involved in that as police, we’re here to assist the enforcement officer.
Jamie: And we have lawful authority to remove you. We don’t want to do it with force or anything like that, but we would like if you…
Deryl: I’m gonna go peacefully.
Jamie: Ok. If you have an issue with the banks or whatever, that’s… or the OPP… then you can deal with that. That’s your right as a citizen.
Deryl: I am dealing with you.
I am too, as a sworn officer, right? I’m dealing with it as best I can, without, you know, without removing people physically or whatever. I’d rather have a peaceful… I’m not dealing with a person that, you know, ever has… might have been bad, or… I’m dealing with a respectable citizen, right?
You served your time very well, didn’t you? You’re a pilot, as I recall.
Deryl: That’s right.
Jamie: That’s what I’m trying to do. I’m trying to show you the respect that you deserve. But all this other stuff, it’s beyond me and that’s an issue you’ll have to take up either with the OPP, the banks, or whatever. That’s the issue. That’s way beyond me. My role here is just to assist him (gestures toward Ken), and come to a peaceful solution. And we’re trying to use all our values that we have, right? Respectful relations, like… And this is, I would say it’s kind of diversity, because you have your opinion, right? We have our opinion.
Deryl: I deal in fact and documents.
Deryl: And you know that.
Jamie: I do. I know that.
Deryl: And you know the investigation I was leading.
Jamie: Yeah. I understand that, yep.
Deryl: And you know where it led me? Finances led me back to North America, ok? They are importing drugs on the base here. I know first hand.
Deryl: You guys can’t defeat the drug industry here because it’s being done at a high level, ok? They are protecting certain individuals.
Deryl: The war on drugs has not been successful because that corporation, or parts of that corporation, are [inaudible] by bringing it in here. Ok? My job is to defend this country, and right now, the defence of this country, the perpetrators are the central banks and the alleged government.
Jamie: Ok, but you see, though, just like I’m listening to you, your point of view, right? Others don’t share that point of view.
Deryl: I understand it. This is the education process that we’re going through.
Jamie: And I’m trying to say as nice as I can, as nice as I can, you’ve gotta leave. I don’t want to arrest you. I don’t want to, Deryl.
Deryl: I know that.
Jamie: Because then…
Deryl: You’re going to have to.
Jamie: I know. Well, I don’t want to, but if I have to, I have to, right? It’s my sworn duty to assist, right?
Deryl: So, what are the charges?
It will be either unlawfully in a dwelling house or the trespass of property act.
Deryl: Ok, so it’s unlawful based on…?
Jamie: That you’re not supposed to be here anymore.
Paula: Sir, the bank needs to show its actual possession. It needs to show the deed.
Deryl: I have, you see, I have no objection to it. I’ll leave if you prove it to me.
Paula: Go back to the bank and get them to provide it and then you’re all set.
Jamie: But that’s not my job, eh? It’s not my job to do this, eh? It’s not my job.
Paula: I feel like this is not my job. It’s a difficult transition.
Deryl: These are the Treasury findings that I was not able to submit in court because the order was rubber stamped, ok? You show me the note, I have no issues. Can we print up the U.S. Treasury report?
Jamie: I don’t need to see it, Deryl.
Deryl: You guys are in a difficult position, ok? I understand how the system works, I completed my investigation a year ago. [turns to Ken] Have you talked to Bob Graydon?
Deryl: Have you confirmed my story with him?
Deryl: (shakes head) Ok. So.
Paula: Would that not be worthwhile?
Ken: No. Not for me. I don’t want to bother a provincial court judge.
Deryl: So why is it a bother?
Ken: He has nothing to do with this.
Paula: But he’s already spoken to Deryl about it.
Jamie: Well, that’s between him and Deryl.
Deryl: So this is, see… here’s the compartmentalization: we’re given a piece of paper: you have a certain paper too; you’re given a piece of paper. Yet you guys have no evidence. All you have is this compartmentalization here, alright?
Jamie: Well, it’s signed. They’ve done it the right way, Deryl. The judge has signed it. Yes?
Jamie: They signed it, stamped it, it’s… and to us, it’s legal. To you it’s not. The problem is, Deryl, you’ve gotta leave. That’s the problem. And I’m sure you… I was trying to decide in my own mind coming up here, how I was going to deal with this. A lot of people would just say, ok, you’re not going to leave? Well, you’re under arrest. But, I was speaking to you at Adrian’s the other day, and I wanted to afford the opportunity for me to reason with you. And I know you don’t agree.
Deryl: So that’s what we’re having here, is a discussion.
Deryl: Based on what?
Jamie: But I can’t do it all day, because I have over 45,000 people that I need to make sure I work in (inaudible).
Deryl: So, my position here is that there’s no criminal activity, I am defending my home, I have no issue if you prove to me, if you bring the note.
Jamie: It’s not up to me to prove, though, I just do the execution of my duties that I’m asked to do. As a sworn police officer, that’s what I do.
Paula: Sir, as you just said, you represent your constituents, though. Who are your constituents?
Jamie: The province of Ontario.
Paula: Now, is that the corporation or the people? Which?
Jamie: I’m not sure where the corporation is coming in. I’m all confused on that.
Paula: OPP is a corporation and works to serve the corporate interest.
Paula: It’s like the banks, for instance…
Jamie: I always thought it was part of community safety and security.
Deryl: The OPP is a corporation: ‘Ontario, province of.’ The OPP is a corporation, we showed you that, yes. Under UCC law, their assets have been seized, their assets have been foreclosed on. Therefore, when you collapse the major one, and you collapse all the others underneath, the question now is: who do you work for? Do you work for the public, or do you work for the corporation? This is the difficulty I had. I thought I had an organic government, a representative one. I elected them, they represent us. But they don’t. They represent international investors.
Jamie: I don’t see… that’s your opinion… like, to me… like, I’m listening to you [turns to Paula]…
Paula: That’s alright.
Jamie: To me, I work for the province of Ontario and the citizens, right?
Deryl: Yep. And that’s what I said: I said, ok, my duty is to defend this country, ok? What are the threats to this country? Wait a minute, I don’t have a country, I have a corporation since 1934. I have a Bank of Canada that’s not mine, and it’s not ours. There’s hundreds of trillions of dollars overseas…
Deryl: That has been stolen gold from the people.
Jamie: Ok, but listen…
Deryl: That’s a fact. That is fraud.
Jamie: Yes, but we’re just dealing with this simple, little problem right here. I don’t want to solve the world’s problems.
Deryl: I do. I have to defend this country.
Jamie: I know you do, but I can’t do that, because then I won’t sleep at night, right? So I’ll leave that up to you.
Deryl: Ok. Thank you.
Paula: The personal is political. It always has come down to specific cases, it always does. This is the boots on the ground.
Deryl: You guys want a coffee? Juice?
Jamie: I want to try to resolve this, which is not going to be resolved I can see.
Deryl: So. Ok.
Jamie: It didn’t go now (?) where you were an acquaintance, and now we’ve gotta come to this, you just won’t leave? That you have to be physically removed? I don’t want to do that.
Deryl: Well, no. Actually I have to complete some stuff on the computer: a commercial bill with respect to… so what time is it now?
Jamie: 11:54. I know, you’ll bill the OPP, right? Is that what you’re gonna do?
Deryl: Well no, actually, I’m billing the sheriff.
Deryl: Because she’s the one who’s taking the action, she’s the one who asked you guys, ok?
Deryl: Do you want to come and arrest me at 12:30 – 1:00?
Deryl: Why not? You can’t come back then?
Jamie: No. No, I can’t.
Jamie: So you’re going to leave?
Deryl: Can I finish some stuff up on the computer?
Jamie: How long is this going to be?
Deryl: 20 minutes.
Jamie: Then you’ll leave peacefully?
Deryl: Well, you’ll have to arrest me. I don’t consent to it. This is my private property.
Jamie: I know you think it is. I know, perfectly. But, uh, you’re not lawfully under the law now. You’re not. That’s why I’m here.
Deryl: So let me just read this to you: Every person who is in peaceful possession of personal property, and everyone lawfully assisting them, is justified in preventing a trespasser from taking it, ok? This is my property until you prove otherwise. The burden of proof is on the bank. They have proved nothing.
Jamie: Well, I don’t know. I can’t speak to that.
Paula: But you’re asking questions about supporting a corporation, are you not, as opposed to supporting the people?
Jamie: I just work for the province of Ontario, right? The division of safety and community security, Ontario?
Jamie: So that’s what I do.
Paula: So that’s your constituent, then.
Jamie: It’s just like Deryl here is working for the military, right? You work for the country, right?
Deryl: Yes, ok.
Jamie: That’s what I’m doing, but I’m provincial.
Deryl: I have a duty to refuse an unlawful order, if I have information as to the fact that it is unlawful.
Deryl: I have a duty to raise that to my superiors and to refuse an unlawful order. If I have a conflict in a mission, it has to be resolved based on the facts. So, these are the facts here. As you know, I have no objection leaving, providing you prove the documentation. The court order is always just a rubber stamp posted to push it through, ok? And that’s what you guys are acting on. You guys are acting on a process that is just a rubber stamp to get people out of their homes. It is all fraudulent.
Deryl: Mortgages themselves are fraudulent.
Jamie: Well, that’s just the system we have. That’s the system we deal with. Until it’s changed. Right? And you’re gonna do that.
Deryl: We’re in the process of changing it.
Jamie: But for now, that’s all I can say. [laughs and stands up]
Deryl: Ok, hang on here. Paula, do you want to go over this with him? [hands over doc]
Jamie: [speaking to 4 more cops who just entered the house]: I’ve spoken to Deryl for over an hour over cigars and I think it was vodka. I understand clearly what he’s thinking because he was talking for an hour.
Deryl: Gentlemen, you want a coffee? I think there’s still some left.
[two voices in chorus] No thank you, but I appreciate it.
Deryl: Alright, I’m going to print some stuff up. Do you want to come, Jamie, or do you want to go over that?
Jamie: No, I’m sure I’ll see him [Deryl] again at Adrian’s, so…
Paula: Which is to say, yes or no?
Jamie: Not right now I don’t. No, I just want to deal with Deryl here.